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02-06-2013, 01:24 PM #2113
Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
Any TCU fans around here to testify on the behalf of WR Josh Boyce?
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02-06-2013, 01:28 PM #2114
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02-06-2013, 01:36 PM #2115Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
I disagree with everything in this post.
Bryan Bulaga and Riley Reiff for example were all projected as top-15 picks by the "draftniks". They fell on draft day because a number of GMs picking in that range didn't like what they had to offer. I don't think Lane Johnson is as good a prospect as literally any of those guys, frankly, with the possible exception of Reiff. Really don't think there's evidence to support this notion that there are tons of 2nd round OTs that are leaping up into the 1st. If that happens this year it will be a function of the weak prospects at the class more than any kind of "trend."
NOBODY is putting too low a value on the LT position. The last time at least 1 OT wasn't taken in the top 10 picks of the first round was 2005, and there have been 24 OTs drafted in the 1st round since that year. That's tied with DT and RB as the 3rd most drafted position in the 1st after DE and WR.
Lane Johnson is leaping wayyy up draft boards at this point because he had a good Senior Bowl and this is a weak class of OTs. Let's wait a while to see where his stock stabilizes, but I absolutely do not believe he is worth trading up more than a handful of picks for. He's just not that good of a player.
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02-06-2013, 01:58 PM #2116
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02-06-2013, 02:00 PM #2117Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
Where is all this phantom money to sign these FAs going to come from? After Ray Lewis' retirement and tendering RFAs the Ravens are projected to have 5m in cap space next year. Adjust that number up by a million or two AT BEST if some RFAs are non-tendered. The BEST case scenario is signing Flacco to a long term deal that will have a 2013 cap number of 5-7m... so there goes all your cap space right there! If in the WORST case scenario they put the exclusive franchise tag on Flacco they're going to be close to 15 million over the cap!!! That not only means NO free agents, it will mean gutting the team in a HUGE way.
I think the Ravens have to prepare to put the tag on Flacco, even if only the non-exclusive tag. That would put them 7-10m over the cap. That means NO free agents WHATSOEVER and it means cutting at a minimum Birk, Williams, and Leach, and working a lot of magic with re-structures/extensions/etc for guys like Boldin, Jacoby, Oher, Yanda, Ngata, etc. That's just to get UNDER the cap--again, no FA signings even remotely possible.
Even if the most miraculous event imaginable happens (which is Flacco signing a deal before March 4th), his 2013 cap hit will eat up 7m or so. If they still cut Birk, Williams, and Leach, they'll have 6-7m to play with, and can fiddle with the numbers for other guys to free up a bit more. Then you'd probably be able to bring back Ellerbe, possibly McKinnie if the Ravens are interested, and/or maybe a few street guys like a Terrance Knighton or Kenny Phillips.
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02-06-2013, 02:00 PM #2118
Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
SO you are really trying to say that Sam Baker was projected to be a first round pick, and fell into the 20's, and not only that, but that he was a better LT prospect then Johnson?
OK..... can't come close to agreeign with that. Dude was TINY, with TINY arms. He's shaped like a fire hydrant.
Bulaga was never thought much of as a LT prospect, and basically from early in the draft process was inked in at RT only, Reiff as well.
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02-06-2013, 02:06 PM #2119
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02-06-2013, 02:14 PM #2120
Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
You are probably right. Ozzie is probably planning to go back to Oher at LT. And our offense will take a step backwards for doing so.
Until we make a move like this, we will have average to poor play at LT, and to me that is far from ideal.
We also have AT LEAST 3 more picks then roster spots available. No need to keep 11 picks, and IMO no need to keep Dickson.
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02-06-2013, 02:21 PM #2121
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Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
Bringing McKinnie back is still an option. It's hard to know how much he is worth on the open market given his history. It's possible that the Ravens could sign him to a 2 year deal that makes sense.
I don't see the Ravens keeping Dickson once he becomes a UFA but they always tender their RFAs so I think he's coming back. I'm not a big fan either and wouldn't mind if they let him go and replaced him with a draft pick but I don't see it happening.
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02-06-2013, 02:24 PM #2122
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Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
See, here is my issue. I don't think the Ravens are in a position to fully trust McKinnie for an entire season, without a backup plan. However, I also don't think the Ravens are in a position to fully trust a rookie LT for an entire season, without a backup plan. OTHER THAN OHER.
So, for me, I think they have to resign McKinnie AND draft a LT. Unless, of course, they get RYAN CLADY!!!"Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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02-06-2013, 02:25 PM #2123
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Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread
This. Many posters have done the research and seen that LT's outside the top 15 don't generally play above average, league wide.
So until they get a guy like that, there will be average play on the left side. We've seen what that leads to: inconsistent offense and a 10-6 regular season record. We've seen what above-average play has given us: a Super Bowl.
McKinnie won't be around much longer, and theres no guarantee he resigns here next year or maintains his level of play.
If the Ravens want to increase the level of play at the LT position, they will have to do this eventually. Why not do it when they have 11 picks to work with?
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