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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Where is all this phantom money to sign these FAs going to come from? After Ray Lewis' retirement and tendering RFAs the Ravens are projected to have 5m in cap space next year. Adjust that number up by a million or two AT BEST if some RFAs are non-tendered. The BEST case scenario is signing Flacco to a long term deal that will have a 2013 cap number of 5-7m... so there goes all your cap space right there! If in the WORST case scenario they put the exclusive franchise tag on Flacco they're going to be close to 15 million over the cap!!! That not only means NO free agents, it will mean gutting the team in a HUGE way.

    I think the Ravens have to prepare to put the tag on Flacco, even if only the non-exclusive tag. That would put them 7-10m over the cap. That means NO free agents WHATSOEVER and it means cutting at a minimum Birk, Williams, and Leach, and working a lot of magic with re-structures/extensions/etc for guys like Boldin, Jacoby, Oher, Yanda, Ngata, etc. That's just to get UNDER the cap--again, no FA signings even remotely possible.

    Even if the most miraculous event imaginable happens (which is Flacco signing a deal before March 4th), his 2013 cap hit will eat up 7m or so. If they still cut Birk, Williams, and Leach, they'll have 6-7m to play with, and can fiddle with the numbers for other guys to free up a bit more. Then you'd probably be able to bring back Ellerbe, possibly McKinnie if the Ravens are interested, and/or maybe a few street guys like a Terrance Knighton or Kenny Phillips.
    There isn't any phantom money, I'm just assuming the Ravens extend a few contracts and make some moves, we will be able to afford a safety if all falls into place. Maybe I'm a little hopefull about them signing Flacco, but where is the money going to come from to franchise him? Its going to be 20 million dollars.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    Wicked if I recall correctly posted some stuff about it a little while back. He looked into the top tackles in the league in relation to their draft position and there was a strong correlation between the tackles taken top 15 and their overall NFL rankings as LTs.

    You're looking at it from the wrong angle. I'm not saying that all top 15ish tackles are guaranteed all-stars. But if you want to find an all-star tackle, chances are he's getting picked in that range.


    And that is my take as well.

    Outside of the top 15, most of the "rest of the best" were picked from 15-40. Players liek Staley, Duane brown and Andrew Whitworth fall into this category. Veldheer, Peters, and Gaither are a rare breed. And it's said when i have to include Gaither, as there are that few God-great LT's outside the first round. If I didn't include Gaither I would have to include Bushrod and Marshall Newhouse. Don't really think they are good at all.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Btw, I'm still trying to figure out how Cordy Glenn fell so far in the draft, he started almost every game at LT this year, and looked almost as good as Matt Kalil did.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    In all seriousness, we can't really talk trading up until after FA. Needs of the other 31 and who-may-draft-whom will change once cats like Albert, Clady, Long, Wallace, Welker and Vollmer find a home.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Btw, I'm still trying to figure out how Cordy Glenn fell so far in the draft, he started almost every game at LT this year, and looked almost as good as Matt Kalil did.
    Lots of people started pegging him as a guard-maybe-RT...




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Well Manti Te'o will likely be available when the Ravens pick. Heck, he might be available when the Ravens pick in the second round. Anyone still interested?




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    Well Manti Te'o will likely be available when the Ravens pick. Heck, he might be available when the Ravens pick in the second round. Anyone still interested?
    I'd take him at #32. Good value at that spot.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Lots of people started pegging him as a guard-maybe-RT...
    That's exactly what happened. All we heard was how bad his feet were and how he could never play LT in the NFL. Marcus McNeil dropped even further because of the same thing. Makes you wonder how good the Alabama tackle can really be
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    I'd take him at 32, but it will be annoying to hear constant shit talk from other fans about the GF hoax and all that BS.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Hopkins' 2012 productivity was incredible, but when I look at his "all-targets" film across six games, there's no element of his game that stands out to me. To me, Hopkins in 2013 would be slower but with better hands and in some cases better routes than Torrey in 2011.

    Looking at Allen (size, speed and athleticism), Patton (feet and routes), Studman (routes and hands), Austin (speed, unique quickness, unique vision), Patterson (size and unique YAC) and Wheaton (speed and routes), I know that I'm going to get someone who excels in a particular skill or two or three. Hopkins skill set is balanced, but without at least one aspect of excellence IMO, I'm struggling to project him as even a strong #2, let alone with the #1 projected value that a day 1 WR absolutely must demand...unless you are an all-around unique athlete like Tavon Austin.
    Hopkins runs better routes, has batter hands, and a larger catching radius than all of those guys.

    He's a stud.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizerooskie View Post
    Hopkins runs better routes, has batter hands, and a larger catching radius than all of those guys.

    He's a stud.
    Hacked by DeAndre Hopkins!


    Routes => Studman, Wheaton
    Hands => Studman, Hopkins
    Radius => Allen, Patterson, Hopkins




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    We also have AT LEAST 3 more picks then roster spots available. No need to keep 11 picks, and IMO no need to keep Dickson.
    Cutting Dickson would mean drafting another TE. Fine, but that's one of your 11 picks gone in a player/position swap. So, do the Ravens have at least three more picks than roster spots? Perhaps, but trading all of those extra picks to move up so far to get one guy who is no slam dunk is a risky business and one that bad teams make a lot. It's probably better to use those extra picks (5th, 6ht, 7th rounders) to maneuver in a round to get a guy they like. For example, trading up seven spots in the 3rd (from 91 to 84) to get Bernard Pierce, costing just a 5th rounder. Or trading up from #26 to #23 to get Michael Oher, costing just a 5th rounder. But packaging a #1, #2, + #4 (that's what it would take at a minimum to move up from 32 to 18) to get a guy that might be a solution severely limits your ability to move in the draft. Eleven picks, yes, but you can only maneuver with seven of them. Four of them are untradable.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Hacked by DeAndre Hopkins!


    Routes => Studman, Wheaton
    Hands => Studman, Hopkins
    Radius => Allen, Patterson, Hopkins
    By Studman, I assume you mean Stedman Bailey?




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    New York Giants have released Ahmad Bradshaw per Shefter.




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    And Chris Canty

    Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN
    I believe cutting DT Chris Canty saves the Giants $6.5M in cap space. With Bradshaw's $2.75M and Boley's $4.5M, total savings is $13.75M.




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