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  1. #1291

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Lucas Reed, brother of Brooks, is a 6'6 255 TE out of New Mexico.
    Look for him at the EWS game. Did well in practice on Wednesday.

    There are some big @ss TEs in this Draft...off memory, I count Sudfeld, Ertz, Kasa, Kelce, Eifert, Toilolo, Fauria, Griffin, Otten, Escobar...so at least 11 that are 6'5/245 or greater. We are definitely going to get one of them.

    -Fauria is soft. We'll pass on him.
    -Eifert should be gone by our pick, but I only see ATL or GB taking him in his value range.
    -Ertz is not the blocker we're looking for.
    -Toilolo is a better blocker than Ertz, but I can't get comfortable with him for some reason. Will concede that the FO may like him though.
    -Escobar doesn't block in SDSU system is my understanding. I'd propose using him like Hernandez: a third WR. He'd be a force as a pseudo-WR.
    -Sudfeld's injury history is a concern (although it was really just 1 bad year)...otherwise, he's the best combo value of RZ/in-line blocking/3rd and long
    -Kaice...I need to investigate his blocking
    -Griffin...same thing; almost no film
    -Otten...doesn't block in SJSt's system IIRC from film
    -Kasa...converted OL or DL IIRC. Awful offense at Colorado. No film. Read that his hands are terrific and that he's mean. No idea of his speed.
    -Reed...need more information

    So based upon what I've seen, know and what I think we need, here are how I'd slot the TE's that I think we'd might want to suit up...

    Eifert - 1st round (I love how he consistently high points the ball. His blocking has improved and he has the frame to add some muscle.)
    Escobar - 3rd round (as proposed above; do not draft otherwise)
    Toilolo - 3rd round (best/highest case scenario here; conceding the FO loves him to remove my own bias)
    Sudfeld - 3rd round (I think he'd do wonders for this offense; more YAC than Eifert, not sure if the vertical is there)
    Griffin and Kasa - 4th round or below (Need more information)




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Lucas Reed, brother of Brooks, is a 6'6 255 TE out of New Mexico.
    Look for him at the EWS game. Did well in practice on Wednesday.

    There are some big @ss TEs in this Draft...off memory, I count Sudfeld, Ertz, Kasa, Kelce, Eifert, Toilolo, Fauria, Griffin, Otten, Escobar...so at least 11 that are 6'5/245 or greater. We are definitely going to get one of them.

    -Fauria is soft. We'll pass on him.
    -Eifert should be gone by our pick, but I only see ATL or GB taking him in his value range.
    -Ertz is not the blocker we're looking for.
    -Toilolo is a better blocker than Ertz, but I can't get comfortable with him for some reason. Will concede that the FO may like him though.
    -Escobar doesn't block in SDSU system is my understanding. I'd propose using him like Hernandez: a third WR. He'd be a force as a pseudo-WR.
    -Sudfeld's injury history is a concern (although it was really just 1 bad year)...otherwise, he's the best combo value of RZ/in-line blocking/3rd and long
    -Kaice...I need to investigate his blocking
    -Griffin...same thing; almost no film
    -Otten...doesn't block in SJSt's system IIRC from film
    -Kasa...converted OL or DL IIRC. Awful offense at Colorado. No film. Read that his hands are terrific and that he's mean. No idea of his speed.
    -Reed...need more information

    So based upon what I've seen, know and what I think we need, here are how I'd slot the TE's that I think we'd might want to suit up...

    Eifert - 1st round (I love how he consistently high points the ball. His blocking has improved and he has the frame to add some muscle.)
    Escobar - 3rd round (as proposed above; do not draft otherwise)
    Toilolo - 3rd round (best/highest case scenario here; conceding the FO loves him to remove my own bias)
    Sudfeld - 3rd round (I think he'd do wonders for this offense; more YAC than Eifert, not sure if the vertical is there)
    Griffin and Kasa - 4th round or below (Need more information)
    I still think that a TE like Michael Williams out of Alabama or Dion Sims out of Michigan State are real possibilities. Both are more balanced TE's regarding blocking vs receiving. Both are better than Bajema and I'd argue Williams is a better receiver than Dickson. Williams as a blocking TE and Pitta split out into the slot would be a nice formation set next year.

    I think Williams would be good value in the 4th round.
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  3. #1293

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I still think that a TE like Michael Williams out of Alabama or Dion Sims out of Michigan State are real possibilities. Both are more balanced TE's regarding blocking vs receiving. Both are better than Bajema and I'd argue Williams is a better receiver than Dickson. Williams as a blocking TE and Pitta split out into the slot would be a nice formation set next year.

    I think Williams would be good value in the 4th round.
    I'll re-examine Williams this wknd. His lack of speed soured me first go-round.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    I'll re-examine Williams this wknd. His lack of speed soured me first go-round.
    Well, he isn't a speedy guy...but neither are Marcedes Lewis and Anthony Fasano, yet they're not too bad.

    Again, I'm not looking at a guy like Williams as someone who is going to come in and stretch the middle of the field like Pitta or Vernon Davis. I'm looking at a guy who can come in here and be somewhat of a poor-man's Pettigrew. Good blocker. Solid receiver. Red zone threat.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Well, he isn't a speedy guy...but neither are Marcedes Lewis and Anthony Fasano, yet they're not too bad.

    Again, I'm not looking at a guy like Williams as someone who is going to come in and stretch the middle of the field like Pitta or Vernon Davis. I'm looking at a guy who can come in here and be somewhat of a poor-man's Pettigrew. Good blocker. Solid receiver. Red zone threat.
    I see the value in the kind of player you're referencing and I'm high on Williams as well in a certain respect, but I just wonder if that's the direction to go in? Sure, you get A+ level blocking from Williams or Sims, but C- athleticism/"mismatch factor." I would downgrade blocking a few notches to get a better mismatch.

    The reason why teams like the Patriots have so much success in the 2TE look isn't just because they have one guy who's a good athlete/pass catcher who stretches the field and one guy who can catch okay and blocks well. It's that both guys are just total mismatches. Linebackers can match up with a guy like Sims or Williams, but not Gronkowski.

    If the Ravens come out in a 2TE look and the defense responds with a base set then you've already lost the chess match. The key is coming out with 2TE and forcing the defense to go to nickel, which you can then run on. I just think a guy like Escobar, Sudfield, or Otten--who either already are good blockers or show signs of being able to get to that level--gives you maybe C+ or B level blocking but A athleticism, and forces the defense into uncomfortable territory.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Well, he isn't a speedy guy...but neither are Marcedes Lewis and Anthony Fasano, yet they're not too bad.

    Again, I'm not looking at a guy like Williams as someone who is going to come in and stretch the middle of the field like Pitta or Vernon Davis. I'm looking at a guy who can come in here and be somewhat of a poor-man's Pettigrew. Good blocker. Solid receiver. Red zone threat.
    I think that's EXACTLY what we need in terms of another TE. I wish we had drafted JImmy Graham and Michael Hoomanawanui instead of Dickson and Pitta, but oh well. Hoomanawanui is carving out a nice little niche exactly as you describe in NE right now, albeit only when Gronk or Hernandez is hurt, which has been one or the other most of the year.




  7. #1297

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Well, he isn't a speedy guy...but neither are Marcedes Lewis and Anthony Fasano, yet they're not too bad.

    Again, I'm not looking at a guy like Williams as someone who is going to come in and stretch the middle of the field like Pitta or Vernon Davis. I'm looking at a guy who can come in here and be somewhat of a poor-man's Pettigrew. Good blocker. Solid receiver. Red zone threat.
    You and I have just about the same requirements. I just added speed.

    In this Draft there are guys that block due to scheme, catch and high-point well, and have tremendous height...AND it just so happens that they project as guys with 4.7 - 4.8 speed. Those are the guys, I called out. They are potentially every-situation TEs. That's definitely something to get excited about. Who the heck can defend a "Flacco-to-Boldin jump ball vs. IND" type of pass to a 6'5/6'6 TE that's not much slower than Boldin himself? And if that same guy can also pancake the OLB on a stretch run inside the RZ...that's even better. I just don't think we will pass up a guy like that.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    And those are things you cant coach. Ill take lesser talented guys who haul ass any day of the week over talented guys with poor work ethic.

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    Having a guy who can play the Corey Redding tertiary pass rusher role would be very nice. Vellano could fill that roll at some point down the road.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Ok, to take our mind off the game tomorrow (and to also remind us how blessed we are to be Raven fans....that the draft isn't the foremost concern on our mind....here is my mock draft).

    1st round- Kevin Minter-LB-LSU
    2nd round- Oday Aboushi- LT- Virginia( Baltimore trades it's 5th round pick to move up 3-4 spots to draft him)
    3rd round- Baccari Rambo- S- Georgia
    3rd round (supplemental)- Tyran Matthieus- CB-LSU
    4th round- Larry Black Jr- DT- Indiana
    5th round- traded to move up to get Aboushi
    5th round (supplemental)- Ronald Leary- OT/G- Memphis
    6th round- Michael Williams-TE-Alabama
    6th round (supplemental)- Kenny Tate-OLB- Maryland
    7th round- Joe Madsen-C- West Virginia
    7th round (supplemental)- Javon Harris-S- Oklahoma

    What are your thoughts?

    Minter, Aboushi, and Rambo all become instant starters at the 3 spots most likely to be available heading into the draft.

    Matthieu is the #5 CB behind Webb, Smith, Grham, and Chykie, but can play special teams with an eye on a bigger role in 2014.

    Black fills the 7th Defensive Line position, with an eye on some serious snaps alongside Ngata in 2014, when Cody, and possibly Art Jones, won't be back.

    Leary becomes our #7 O-lineman and 2nd reserve behind Jah Reid.

    Madsen would be in a battle for a roster spot, but might make it due to only one true C being on the 13 roster (Gradkowski-the presumed starter)

    Michael Williams would have the #3 TE spot locked up and would see the field quite often in 2013, given his value as a blocker in goal-line, short yardage situations.

    Tate would be in an all-out numbers battle for a spot on the 53.

    Harris is a very underrated prospect, and would be battling with Emanuel Cook/Omar Brown for 1 or 2 roster spots (depending on what the Ravens do with bringing back Ighedibo). You have to figure Christian Thompson is safe for a roster spot.




  10. #1300

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    I would pretty much love that draft...




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I would pretty much love that draft...
    Thank you. I don't think I'm being too unrealistic where I'm slotting these guys too. Michael Williams still being there when we pick in the 6th round is probably the biggest stretch I see. Aboushi to reach into the 55-60 range is probably a bit optimistic as well. If we could somehow make this draft happen and make some decent signings/resignings in Free Agency, we just flipped the oldest roster in the NFL to one with 85-90% of it's players in their 20s....all without taking a drastic dip in talent either. I am thinking we will probably keep Anquan/Kruger/Ellerbe and have to part ways with Jacoby, Jameel, Cary, McKinnie and Reed. Birk and Lewis retire. I'm thinking keeping Ighedibo might make some sense too, provided he carries the same cheap price tag as he did this past year.




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    I'd rather part ways with Anquan then Jacoby at this point. I'd also rather part ways with Kruger.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I'd rather part ways with Anquan then Jacoby at this point. I'd also rather part ways with Kruger.
    It's a tough choice either way. They both won't be back...that's for almost sure. I think Boldin is far ahead of Jacoby as a receiver, though, and that's where his value is harder to replicate. I think it's easier to move Doss up to replace Jones than it is to move Jones up to replace Boldin and bring Doss up to replace Jones. I think that the Ravens need to do something about his $6 million base salary this year...that won't work. Assuming he restructures/re-signs, Boldin is the bigger piece of our puzzle of success.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    It's a tough choice either way. They both won't be back...that's for almost sure. I think Boldin is far ahead of Jacoby as a receiver, though, and that's where his value is harder to replicate. I think it's easier to move Doss up to replace Jones than it is to move Jones up to replace Boldin and bring Doss up to replace Jones. I think that the Ravens need to do something about his $6 million base salary this year...that won't work. Assuming he restructures/re-signs, Boldin is the bigger piece of our puzzle of success.
    Besides Jacoby, our special teams have been downright TERRIBLE since Harbs has been here... SO his vlaue there is hard to replace.

    I really think the move is extension/cap reductions on JJ, Leach and Boldin. Maybe 3 year deals each, counting next year. It would help allow some flexibility.

    At this point, I'm simply thinking that Kruger will be FAR overvalued in FA. I alos think it's more likely that Upshaw improves as a passrusher as compred to Kruger improving in coverage and agaisnt the run. I think the combo of Hamilton/Macadoo can probably add some third down rush abilities as well. I'm nearly to the point of being completely disinterested in EVEN TRYING to retain kruger.




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    Vellano just made a hell of swim move to almost grab a sack




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