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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    I don't think one bad game should erase his entire body of work.
    I don't really care what he does against ND's rather weak schedule, I wanted to see what he could against guys who may be able to play on Sunday. Alabama has as close to an NFL line as you'll see in college football. He failed to show up at all, those concerns which a lot of us had about him (lack of athleticism first and foremost), were realized today.

    Any player who beats up on weak competition and fails to show up against the best competition scares me.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    For what it's worth, I'm following Daniel Jeremiah who used to be a Ravens scout (as well as the Browns with Savage and then the Eagles with Andy Reid), and regarding Jones (someone asked if he could play OT as well), he says that Jones is going to have to stay inside as he is a very limited athlete.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    I'll post some relevant tweets from him...good stuff to read from an actual NFL scout...he used to be our west area scout.

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    Bama TE Michael Williams (89) has been outstanding in the run game. 2 big runs behind his seal blocks on perimeter.
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    ND struggling up front but it's not b/c of #9 Lous Nix. He just pushed Warmack back about 4 yards. He's ND's best defender.
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    WOW! Mosley can close! That was impressive
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    RT @tommy_t_256: Does Barrett Jones project as a C, G or T? > has to play inside at next level. Very limited athlete. On the ground too much
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    RT @mfisherwa: from a pro level how much is Te'o losing tonight.> just one piece of the puzzle. Good player just not elite level
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    Te'o isn't having his best game but he's still a surefire 1st round pick. That isn't going to change b/c of 1 game. Just not Pat Willis
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    RT @kegiee:Jarvis Jones > Teo. No contest. u guys in media thought Tao was 2nd coming of Jesus> I compared him to Demeco Ryans, not JC
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    Bama and A&M OL's both put together dominant bowl game performances. Best two OLs I've seen live while scouting. A&M athletic, Bama mauling.
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    Manti really struggling to use his hands. Getting swallowed play after play.
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    Eddie Lacy reminds me of Jamal Lewis. Lewis had more top speed but they are both violent, angry runners.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    TE Zach Ertz has declared.
    TA&M teammate claims/tweets that Jake Matthews is staying.
    ILB Shane Skov was granted an additional year of eligibility...so 99% certain of staying.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenalytics View Post
    I don't think one bad game should erase his entire body of work.
    No, it shouldn't. However, I think a lot of people have (I know I did) temper their feelings towards Te'o as a top 10 pick in the coming draft. Kuechly, for example, displayed a lot of athleticism and was able to take on and shed blocks well. Many thought Kuechly could function at several different positions in a 3-4 or a 4-3 alignment. At the moment, IMO, I think Te'o is best suited as an ILB in a 3-4 scheme/hybrid. He got caught up in traffic way too much, he didn't get off of blocks very well, and Alabama was running the rock right down the middle of the field. It wasn't like they were doing a lot of counters, cut backs, or sweeps. They were straight up running ISO dives up the middle.

    If you look at the game Mosley had (who is about an inch shorter and about 15-20lbs lighter than Te'o, he was able to avoid would-be blockers, track the ball carrier down, cover, and make plays all over the field. This is a prime example of an every down linebacker (Mosley) vs a likely 2-down linebacker (Te'o).

    Now, if he drops into the late teens (which now I think he will) then I definitely think Baltimore should make a play for him because in our D I think he'd be a really solid player. I mean, how many of us would like to see Laurinaitis or Brandon Spikes on the Ravens? Many of us. The reality is that what Te'o lacks in overall athleticism he makes up for in good instincts, durability, fundamentals, and leadership. A lot of those things, you can't coach.

    Even if Mosley was coming out this year, he's probably done enough to push himself into a top 15 pick, so I don't think the Ravens would have a shot at him anyway. (unfortunately)
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I'll post some relevant tweets from him...good stuff to read from an actual NFL scout...he used to be our west area scout.
    Eddie Lacy very well may have pushed himself to be the top back taken in this draft. 6', 220-225lbs. Fast, downhill runner with nice burst. I don't think that any RB is going in round 1 this year, but Lacy should be on a lot of team's radars in the 2nd round.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

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    Depending on what the Ravens do with Oher (RT or LT?) and whether or not they leave KO at guard (which they should) then Barrett Jones could be a nice RT addition.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I was pretty sure Alabama was going to win this game, but I did NOT expect Notre Dame to just get completely destroyed. They'll roll over now.

    In non-BCS Championship news... one of my favorite sleeper prospects declared for the draft today. San Diego State TE Gavin Escobar. 6'5 255, great athlete with fantastic hands. Another Gronkowski-esque "mismatch" player albeit not a fantastic blocker at this point.

    Wicked, you look at him at all? He doesn't have the hype of Eifert but if the Ravens want a TE, he's a great option.
    You know, SD State has some nice prospects. A lot of non-BCS schools do. I like Escobar. He'd be a nice pick up in the mid rounds. Not sure the Ravens go for another receiving TE as a mid round pick though...if they go for a mid round TE I'd hope they go for Williams out of Alabama or something like that. Having a TE who can block AND run routes would be nice. Split Pitta out wide and line up Michael Williams at TE. That'd be a nice combo.

    Another AD State guy to keep an eye on in the mid/late rounds is Brice Butler (6'3" 209lbs). He transferred from USC a couple of years ago. He's got nice wheels for his size and has a nice jump ball. Not real keen on his route running ability though. Could be a decent project guy who is a bit more polished than Tommy Streeter.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    I am convinced that the team wants Oher as the longterm RT. Osemele at LG.

    If you think that Jones is a can't miss prospect for the Center position, take him, so that Joe actually has a pocket to step up into, because he hasn't for the past two years.

    Otherwise, find your LT, FOR THE LOVE!.... OF GOD!
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I am convinced that the team wants Oher as the longterm RT. Osemele at LG.

    If you think that Jones is a can't miss prospect for the Center position, take him, so that Joe actually has a pocket to step up into, because he hasn't for the past two years.

    Otherwise, find your LT, FOR THE LOVE!.... OF GOD!
    Depends on Gradkowski and who is there when the Ravens pick.

    If Barrett Jones is the top prospect, then maybe they can go with an OL of Oher, KO, Gradkowski, Yanda, B. Jones next year and see who shakes out at LT in the 2014 draft/free agency.

    Finding, not just a LT...but a GOOD OT...is easier said than done. There are some nice prospects this year who could probably replicate Oher's performance with more upside (Oday Aboushi, Brian Winters, Ricky Wagner, etc). None of that means jack though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    You know, SD State has some nice prospects. A lot of non-BCS schools do. I like Escobar. He'd be a nice pick up in the mid rounds. Not sure the Ravens go for another receiving TE as a mid round pick though...if they go for a mid round TE I'd hope they go for Williams out of Alabama or something like that. Having a TE who can block AND run routes would be nice. Split Pitta out wide and line up Michael Williams at TE. That'd be a nice combo.

    Another AD State guy to keep an eye on in the mid/late rounds is Brice Butler (6'3" 209lbs). He transferred from USC a couple of years ago. He's got nice wheels for his size and has a nice jump ball. Not real keen on his route running ability though. Could be a decent project guy who is a bit more polished than Tommy Streeter.
    Not a big fan of Butler although the triangle numbers are good enough to make him a worthwhile project, as you said. I think the theme of this upcoming draft needs to be two-fold: 1) finding a few blue-chip defenders to replace Ray and Ed, and 2) continuing to grow the offense. To me, that means targeting elite-upside defenders with your first 2 picks and then focusing basically on offensive sleepers the rest of the way.

    Escobar isn't just a receiving-first TE, he has some blocking ability too and could improve in that area. Pitta I don't really ever see improving as a blocker and he's better used as a moving chess piece type anyway. With his athleticism, catch radius, and hands, the key is getting the right matchup with him and then getting him the ball. Use him like the Pats use Hernandez... split him out wide 'cause he's too big for a CB to cover, run him up the seam 'cause he's too fast for a LB to cover, etc.

    In that scenario they would leave Escobar playing the in-line role. He can stretch the field up the seams, block, etc... basically the Gronkowski role. I know people will say "oh but we already have two TEs," would the Ravens mind having Jimmy Graham? Hell no, the NFL is about WEAPONS and it doesn't matter what position they play. You find a way to get them on the field. Plus, Dickson and Pitta are both FAs next year and I doubt they'll keep Dickson who isn't really particularly good at anything.

    If they move to a 2TE base set, which is actually Norv Turner's preferred base offense, they need another every-down TE who can block and catch... I would love to have a guy like Escobar in that role. Hell, you were suggesting Tyler Eifert earlier, and I think Escobar is 90% as good a prospect, but in the 3rd instead of the 1st.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I am convinced that the team wants Oher as the longterm RT. Osemele at LG.

    If you think that Jones is a can't miss prospect for the Center position, take him, so that Joe actually has a pocket to step up into, because he hasn't for the past two years.

    Otherwise, find your LT, FOR THE LOVE!.... OF GOD!
    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Depends on Gradkowski and who is there when the Ravens pick.

    If Barrett Jones is the top prospect, then maybe they can go with an OL of Oher, KO, Gradkowski, Yanda, B. Jones next year and see who shakes out at LT in the 2014 draft/free agency.

    Finding, not just a LT...but a GOOD OT...is easier said than done. There are some nice prospects this year who could probably replicate Oher's performance with more upside (Oday Aboushi, Brian Winters, Ricky Wagner, etc). None of that means jack though.
    I fear that the Ravens have fallen so head over heels in love with Oher that they simply won't take him off the field for any reason. I had hoped they would consider moving him to guard but I don't think that will happen now... it's OT or bust with him, and I believe firmly that he cannot play OT at even a tolerable level. How much more evidence do we need that 2009 was the fluke, not 2010-2012? The guy just can't play.




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    I don't like the idea of Jones at tackle in any scenario.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

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    I won't be shedding one tear for Kelly, leaving those young men at Cincinnati, darn near on the eve of their bowl game. You go out and recruit these young men, preach to them about commitment and so forth, and ditch them on the eve of the most important game of their collegiate careers. Couldn't even wait until after the season to take the job.

    The irony is that he getting it back in spades, at the hands of Nick Saban.
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    Alabama looked dominant but Notre Dame looked overmatched. You can't over analyze this game too much. Alabama has way much more talent. A better way to gauge Alabama's players is to watch their tape against Texas A&M, Georgia, or LSU. Those teams are a lot closer, talent wise.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaRaven View Post
    Alabama looked dominant but Notre Dame looked overmatched. You can't over analyze this game too much. Alabama has way much more talent. A better way to gauge Alabama's players is to watch their tape against Texas A&M, Georgia, or LSU. Those teams are a lot closer, talent wise.
    Well, that's not entirely surprising.

    The SEC is vastly different than most of the teams that Notre Dame plays against. I think if Notre Dame played in the SEC, or even the Big 10, they probably wouldn't have finished in the top 5.
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