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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    All this talk on centers, and Gino looked pretty damn good against the Bengals first string D.
    This. I specifically watched him and he is holding up nicely. If he can be the C next year that eliminates one potential problem spot.




  2. #677

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    All this talk on centers, and Gino looked pretty damn good against the Bengals first string D.
    That's encouraging. I'm pretty much blind for this game. Out of market this weekend with NFL RZ only




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    That's encouraging. I'm pretty much blind for this game. Out of market this weekend with NFL RZ only
    Gino has been very good and the Bengals have some of the best DT's in the game.

    I am officially on the "we don't need a center" train right now. I think Gino will be just fine. I still think they could look at LG or LT, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them roll with Oher, Jah, Gino, Yanda, KO next year. Honestly, that may not be too bad. I'm still not in love with Oher at LT, but if they don't have a better option...why not?
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Gino has actually looked shaky in the second half as the game went on, still has a lot to work on from what I've seen. His technique can be very poor at times.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    They WILL draft at least one, and probably two, offensive linemen next year. The reason is simple--depth. They're going to lose 3 guys next year (McKinnie, Williams, Birk) and they need to stay young at OL. They have 2 prospects on the PS that could potentially make good depth in Antoine McClain and Jack Cornell, but I would only count on 1 of them to actually make the team and maybe neither of them do.

    Thus, they need at least 2 OL. Probably an interior lineman who can play guard or center and a tackle who can possibly play LT. Look for late round guys--one guy I like who's probably a 3rd rounder is Ricky Wagner out of Wisconsin. He's a potential LT prospect who could push Oher as early as year 1 or 2.




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    I noticed that too, and something I noticed in other games too, we already have one of those in Paul Kruger. If we're going pass rush, I would like to see a 3-4 DE rather than OLB picked because we are pretty deep with Suggs, Kruger, McClellan, Hamilton, then even McAdoo on IR. Ansah is the guy you'd want in the JJ Watt type role, sadly I think his upside get him drafted well before 20, but if there's a chance, Ravens should take it. He's not just a pass rusher, he can stop the run really well too, he'd instantly upgrade our Dline, even if he is still pretty raw.
    I love Ziggy but I'm just not sure if he's that day 1 difference maker (D1DM) that I'm looking for...even if we don't resign Kruger. The D1DM guy (if we let Ed walk) that I see right now that our FO would not pass on is S Matt Elam from Florida. His value should be late 20s.

    Even still, IMO... three starters > D1DM, so trios like Philip Thomas (FS) / Travis Frederick (C) / Khaseem Greene (Coverage LB), for example is a really good deal. For other examples, you can sub in Kawann Short, Kevin Minter, Arthur Brown, Will Sutton, Kyle Van Noy, Studman Bailey or Quinton Patton for a different trio.

    Note: With Ben Grubbs having a good year, but not making the PB, I'm not as optimistic that we'll get a 3rd round comp for him...which may make us less likely to trade up into the 2nd round.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Gino has been very good and the Bengals have some of the best DT's in the game.

    I am officially on the "we don't need a center" train right now. I think Gino will be just fine. I still think they could look at LG or LT, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them roll with Oher, Jah, Gino, Yanda, KO next year. Honestly, that may not be too bad. I'm still not in love with Oher at LT, but if they don't have a better option...why not?
    I wouldn't be surprised if they move KO to LT and Oher back to right. KO has the size, arm length and footwork to be a LT.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlsKickButt View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if they move KO to LT and Oher back to right. KO has the size, arm length and footwork to be a LT.
    That thought has been on my mind as well. Osemele doesn't quite have the quick feet that Oher does, but he looks smarter and has a better body type. If he can learn to mirror a bit better he could be a LT candidate.

    If they move KO to LT, I would actually prefer them to move Oher to LG. His problems will not be fixed by flipping sides, he just can't play on an island. He'd be a much better player in the phone booth at guard.

    I also think Jah Reid is a better fit at RT than LG, but I could be wrong on that. A line of KO-Oher-Gradkowski-Yanda-Reid just seems more natural with each player's skill set and body type. You'd also have a veteran on each side of the line and a young player on each side of the line, with the possibility of a pretty good wall in the middle for Flacco to step up into.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    They need somebody new at LT. Then, whoever they want at RT, the other goes inside.

    New LT, Oher/Osemele, Gradkowski, Yanda, Oher/Osemele.
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  11. #686

    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They need somebody new at LT. Then, whoever they want at RT, the other goes inside.

    New LT, Oher/Osemele, Gradkowski, Yanda, Oher/Osemele.
    That is definitely the preferred solution, but it requires the Ravens to 1) Find a new LT who can win the job in year 1, and 2) have Oher and/or Osemele adjust well to new positions.

    We know the Ravens won't likely reach to satisfy the need at LT, so don't be surprised if our 2013 OL turns over fewer players than we might hope.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    They need somebody new at LT. Then, whoever they want at RT, the other goes inside.

    New LT, Oher/Osemele, Gradkowski, Yanda, Oher/Osemele.
    I agree with this...new pieces + movement; not just movement.

    Jah looks like 2nd string quality. As is Harewood.
    KO has gotten better, but I'm not sure he's an NFL tackle.
    Oher...I can't trust the guy to put together consecutive good games.
    Gino needs to have a heck of an OS.

    [Albert (free agency) - KO - Frederick (2nd rounder if he declares) - Yanda - Oher] would be a good wall for Joe and Ray.
    I would even roll the dice a bit with [Albert - Brian Winters (3rd rounder) - Frederick - Yanda - KO]




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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    I agree with this...new pieces + movement; not just movement.

    Jah looks like 2nd string quality. As is Harewood.
    KO has gotten better, but I'm not sure he's an NFL tackle.
    Oher...I can't trust the guy to put together consecutive good games.
    Gino needs to have a heck of an OS.

    [Albert (free agency) - KO - Frederick (2nd rounder if he declares) - Yanda - Oher] would be a good wall for Joe and Ray.
    I would even roll the dice a bit with [Albert - Brian Winters (3rd rounder) - Frederick - Yanda - KO]
    Where is this notion that the Ravens can sign Branden Albert coming from? The Chiefs have oodles of cap space and will have a new QB in 2013 that they need to surround with talent. Albert is a good left tackle--not elite, but certainly good enough.

    If the Chiefs aren't able to resign him I have little doubt they'll franchise him. Even taking into consideration that Albert is a local kid, I highly doubt he'll be in purple and black next year. If we get a new LT it'll be through the draft. There's almost no point in debating otherwise.




  14. #689

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    I agree, our LT will come in the draft or is already on the roster(KO or Oher). Seeing Oher get destroyed at times on the right side going up against Dunlap was definitely disappointing. At this point i'd look to draft a LT, start Gino, and maybe move Oher to LG.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    I think they may give KO a shot at LT, but dammit...just let the fucking kid play ONE position! Part of Oher's issues are because he has bounced back and forth. While RT and LT require a lot of the same skills, it is still kind of hard to develop any amount of continuity or consistency when you're playing a different spot each year.

    I'd much rather them leave Oher at RT. At least then we'll know we have a strong right side and can just focus on the left. Be that getting a guard or a LT prospect to push Oher, who knows.

    For the record, I love, love, love the idea of going after Brian Winters in the 3rd or 4th round. He's tough as nails and is a very underrated player. He might be a solid guard too if the coaching staff is hellbent on keeping Oher at LT.
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