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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread



    I'm nowhere near a huge Bailey fan as some of you, but there is no way he lasts until our 3rd round pick.

    Frankly, there are a couple wideouts I like in this draft, but frankly the team has too many other issues IMHO to take one unless they are going to be a game changing type of guy.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    On the subject of Brandon Albert, he isn't really a known quality in the NFL yet. He's a very good LT and would be three times the upgrade over Oher at LT, but he won't be as expensive as I thought. I looked at Duane Browns contract, and it's around 55 million over 7 years, so I think we could possibly get Albert to sign for 5 years for 40-45 million which is below market price for top tier LT's, but it really depends on how good Albert thinks he is. We could probably just about afford him if Ozzie gets away from his signing ''depth over stars philosophy'', and go into 2013 relying on more of the younger draft picks stepping up with an already young squad that are blooded after this year. If we get Albert to sign, we could re stock this defense in the draft, while possibly drafting a C and a wide out.

    We will need to cut a lot of players for this to happen, and probably restructure a deal or two and extend some others, but I think it's just about possible, if the deal is backloaded.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Still on the Kevin Minter bandwagon



    Positives:
    Shows great discipline sticking to his gap assignments
    Surprisingly good in coverage (I also heard he used to play safety like a bunch of other LB's in this class
    Looks to be the biggest hitting LB in this class apart from Manti
    Once he gets his arms around you, it's over
    Has a good frame and perfect weight at 242 lbs
    Looks to be a guy who can drop back into coverage, but also be a north and south defender
    Would compliment Ellerbe in the 3-4 scheme, but looks to be a good fit in a 4-3 too
    Good inside blitzer

    Negatives:
    Looks pretty short
    Takes some bad angles at times
    Can be sloppy with his tackling technique, needs to wrap up more effectively
    He is good in coverage, but his foot work dropping back into coverage looks sloppy at times

    Because of the nature of the position, I can see him dropping to us in the second, and IMO would be a great value pick. Through the last few years, here are some highlighted second round picks on LB's.

    Sean Lee
    Daryl Washington
    Curtis Lofton
    James Laureinitis
    Pat Angerer
    Akeen Ayers
    Bruce Carter
    Novoro Bowman (3rd round pick, but he's so good, I just had to include him)

    That's a lot of talent found in the 2nd round, there certainly seems to be a high % of picks on LB's in the 2nd round that work out.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Lots of good games on today fellas.

    Syracuse vs West VA (Geno Smith, Ryan Nassib, Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Alec Lemon...)

    Texas vs Oregon State.

    TCU vs Michigan State.
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    For our hypothetical 4-3...how about the undersized DT from Arizona St, Will Sutton as a pass rushing specialist? I having a hard time placing value on him though. 3rd? 4th?

    Fella has a good motor and quickness. Figure he'll give Gs fits lined up next to Ngata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCroUSAF View Post
    BPR I hate you! Lol you have me in love with bailey. A thought just hit me tho. It is very possible that Austin goes in round 1. Couldn't it be very possible that the team that drafts geno smith reaches for bailey in the 2nd much like the colts did with luck and his tight end? The only hope we have is if Austin is there in round 2, I would still much rather have bailey as he is the more all round receiver . Just a thought.
    Haha

    Interesting thought though.

    Looking at KC drafting Gino...they have a slower Austin in Mc Cluster (they just don't use him well,) so I think they'll avoid Austin. If they lose Bowe then they'll probably go after a big body to replace him.. especially b/c Baldwin is a bust.
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Just say that a player like Fisher, Ansah or Jordan isn't there for them in the first. Imagine if they could trade down into the second, and trade up from their third to a second and snag a trio like Minter, Margus Hunt and Bailey? Wouldn't you just sit there with wet underwear?




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    Just say that a player like Fisher, Ansah or Jordan isn't there for them in the first. Imagine if they could trade down into the second, and trade up from their third to a second and snag a trio like Minter, Margus Hunt and Bailey? Wouldn't you just sit there with wet underwear?
    BPR had the exact same idea, and I love it. The second round this year is going to be deep and filled with depth at the positions we have needs at. If it happened, I'd rather we take a look at Lane Johnson rather than Bailey (as much as I like Baily, I don't want us to draft a wide out this year, unless it's the 4th round and beyond).




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    BPR had the exact same idea, and I love it. The second round this year is going to be deep and filled with depth at the positions we have needs at. If it happened, I'd rather we take a look at Lane Johnson rather than Bailey (as much as I like Baily, I don't want us to draft a wide out this year, unless it's the 4th round and beyond).
    I'd be surprised if Oz traded down two years in a row. But assuming the Ravens draft in the 20's I don't really like the look of what I see there in comparison with the depth that could be had in the second. And of course, if Oz does trade down it probably wouldn't work out in the long run!

    A lot of it will probably depend on compensatory picks. If you have those then it gives you more flexibility with your regular picks.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    If we can get a third and fourth comp pick, that gives us great manoeuvrability. We can use our original third and fourth to move up in the first, or trade back in the first to second then use them to get a third 2nd round pick and three potential day 1 starters.

    Also have the option of making a real bold move. Our first 2nd 3rd 4th and move way up in the first round. And still have a third and 4th round pick, just really lose a second but you could move up and get a potential legit left tackle, or Hankins for nose, teo for ilb, heck even one of the top pass rushers if Kruger goes.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    If we can get a third and fourth comp pick, that gives us great manoeuvrability. We can use our original third and fourth to move up in the first, or trade back in the first to second then use them to get a third 2nd round pick and three potential day 1 starters.

    Also have the option of making a real bold move. Our first 2nd 3rd 4th and move way up in the first round. And still have a third and 4th round pick, just really lose a second but you could move up and get a potential legit left tackle, or Hankins for nose, teo for ilb, heck even one of the top pass rushers if Kruger goes.
    I don't see any pass rushers really worth trading a bunch up to get, apart from maybe Damontre Moore, or MAYBE Jarvis Jones, but I really don't know about him, he isn't quite what Von Miller was coming out. I would trade up for as you said Hankins, Teo, Louteilei, Joekel, or maybe Ansah (although, I'm not all that sure where exactly Ansah will be rated on most teams draft boards, probably number one on the Seahawks board knowing Carroll lol).




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Lots of good games on today fellas.

    Syracuse vs West VA (Geno Smith, Ryan Nassib, Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Alec Lemon...)

    Texas vs Oregon State.

    TCU vs Michigan State.
    Yup, I watched part of every game yesterday including that horrible VA Tech / Rutgers exhibition. I guess if you like defense it was OK but it was really more about anemic offense.

    I will be watching WVU /Syracuse for sure; hell I will watch them all
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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    I think I'll be watching the Oregon game.




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    Re: New draft/FA/offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think I'll be watching the Oregon game.
    That should be one of the most entertaining bowl games of them all; when Oregon or Kansas St. has the ball, you can't take your eyes off the screen
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    We need to spend the first 2 picks on D. Can't be ranked #26 again next year - esp w Ray & Ed & Haloti aging...... Come on Oz!!!




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