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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12



    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Coaches need to play their best players. They get fired very quickly these days. The Seahawks traded for a QB, paid him good money and then cut him despite that investment. They then paid up for one of the top free agents QBs on the market. They ended up going with a rookie 3rd round pick. It didn't matter how much the spent in cap and picks for the other guys. Carroll needed to win so he played the guy he thought gave him the best chance to win.

    I completely agree with you that is what Harbaugh is doing with McKinnie. He feels that he has better options and so he's going with them.
    Not to nitpick, but Pete Carroll is a special case. Throughout his entire coaching career he has made it clear that every roster spot is open to competition at all times and he actually means it. Carroll is also totally unconcerned with how other teams perceive his personnel actions, almost all of his draft picks are total head scratchers and outrageous reaches. He marches to the beat of his own drum and always has.

    The thing coaches care about most is keeping their jobs. Winning lots of games is the best way to do that 90% of the time. But there's a lot more that goes into coaches decision-making process than just the immediate short-term of "how do I maximize our chance of winning the next game." I could write a very long post about it but there are very good reasons a coach may choose not to play a better player, especially if there's not a huge talent difference between a player and his replacement.

    A coach might bench a player to send a message to his team, if he feels the benefit of getting that message through is greater than the immediate benefit of having him on the field. He might want to minimize the risk of being held accountable for a decision that might be perceived as "risky." And once the decision is made, to backtrack on it makes him look like he made the wrong decision in the first place.

    I've seen more than enough from Harbaugh and his coaching staff to lead me to believe that they are not comfortable being questioned and they fear being blamed for team failures. Hence the constant harping about the players executing, the blame-shifting for questionable decisions, among other things. And I'm not a guy who is particularly harsh on Harbaugh at all, he's not unlike many other coaches in this respect.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    The main problem is Birk.
    McKinnie won't make that great of difference if we subscribe to the chain is as strong as its weakest link. Putting McKinnie in scrambles positions but leaves the battered body that just can't do it anymore right in the center of the line.
    Now if Jah or KO or Yanda could snap.......
    I'm not sure Gino is a bad option..... we lose a ton of experience but regain the physical presence, can anyone else make the line calls of does it have to be the C?
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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    The Ravens threw a number of deep balls because the Steelers, due to both injury and defensive scheme, dared them to do so. While the result wasn’t a Ravens’ win, I’d be much more concerned if the team was unwilling to take such risks.


    For the individual scoring and other offensive notes click HERE

    Exactly what I have been saying about the game plan.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by TL24x7 View Post
    Did the Ravens throw the ball deep too often on Sunday?

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    Flacco was 2 of 8 for 58 yards plus a 30-yard PI with a 1 TD, 0 INT on his deep balls
    Interesting. For kicks, if we count the PI as a completed 30 yard pass, Joe's deep-ball stats would be 3 of 9 for 88 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.

    That's a passer rating of 107.6 and that even includes a Torrey drop. So I guess that answers the question: no, the Ravens did not throw the ball deep too often on Sunday.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Next year I would like to see KO, Oher, Gradkowski, Yanda, Reid.
    Hoping for Gradkowski to bulk up, and I think KO can be really good at LT. I think Wicked was the first to float the Oher to gaurd idea, I like that idea, think he could be an all pro gaurd. I also think Jah could handle RT, he has the frame for it. I don't like moving Yanda, he's our best lineman.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    .

    Fact - they wanted him to lose more weight and get into better shape than he was last year.
    Fact - he didnt achieve that. That is why they held him out during OTA's.
    Fact - he not only failed to show up on time to training camp, but the guy also didnt even notify them of what was going on.
    Fact - he had his chiropractor call Harbs and tell him that he would report soon and was resting his back because he slipped and fell right before training camp.
    Fact - when he reported to training camp he was not in good shape and was still hurt, ergo he couldn't practice nor play in any games until the 3rd pre season game IIRC.
    Fact - KO played pretty damn well at RT during pre-season. They werent expecting that. They were expecting him to play LG.
    Fact - Oher played pretty well this pre-season at LT and unlike McKinnie was in excellent shape and could handle the rigors of a high paced up tempo offense.
    Fact - McKinnie is by far the better tackle, but hasnt put forth any effort whatsoever to make the coaches reconsider the starting OL.

    Fact: He was deep in hock, salary garnished, approaching a playing time bonus, IIRC. The Ravens could have hoped this would be an incentive for McKinnie. Now it's hard to blame them for not wanting to reward McK's behavior

    Those are the real reasons why McKinnie is riding the pine. Whether or not folks want to accept it, that's the way it is.

    Is Oher great? Hell no. But he is in great shape, wants to get better, and is reliable. He has also improved greatly in a lot of aspects.
    True Dat. Hard not to side w/ Oher as an employee when compared to the work culture of Gaither and/or McKinnie.


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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    I'm not saying the gameplan couldn't have been more efficient, but I have yet to hear anyone bring up the previous two weeks schedule in regards to this loss. Sunday night road trip at Steelers, WC trip to SD that goes almost to the end of OT, and then another Steelers game. No one expected 3-0 from this 3 week stretch until Big ben went down. Maybe fatigue played a part in their focus?




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    Film, this was even better than usual.

    Back OT . . . the OL. Very poor performance from Birk and Oher. I suppose we can BLAME CAM, because he is in charge of the O overall and thus is Moeller's boss, but forget the blame. The OL is the foundation and our is cracked. Sure, Joe takes too much time to throw, but the O line sometimes gives too little time for ANYONE to throw. And the O line is partially to blame for too many 2nd and 8s and 9s -- Rice often runs into a wall instead of a hole, because there ARE NO holes. Then Joe is forced to throw,and the D knows it, and the O line can't give him enough time, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

    Assuming we resign Flacco (I'm for it) we need to give him even better suppport than he has now. That means a better O line.
    While fair to a point, good OC's adjust by max protecting or calling shorter patterns.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Nice to see Osemele play a great game.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I don't disagree with you that there are some circumstances, but at the time who was better on the team? Anthony Wright? Well, Billick went with him for quite some time. Billick also went with Steve McNair for a few seasons too. So, he obviously saw an issue and tried to adjust.

    I legitimately think - wrong or right - that Harbaugh feels that McKinnie is not one of the 5 best OL'men on the team.
    During one of our down years and a good slot in the first round why didn't they pull the trigger on a QB? I could always look and see who was available and so on but they didn't, UNTIL Boller's contract was up than they wen't with McNair. But Billick stuck by Boller, mif I remember Wright only played when Boller was hurt.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Fact - they wanted him to lose more weight and get into better shape than he was last year.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...re-ravens-camp

    It seems as if the ravens organization doesnt think LT's are allowed to be injured
    Come on man. Gaither got uninjured long enough to sign a long term contract with SD and suddenly had mysterious back injuries again, And Mckinnie is such a slug MINN cut him and can't work hard even with the irs UP HIS ASS. Like the team has no chiropractors. PUHlease dont tell me u r buying any of that shinola




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Coaches need to play their best players. They get fired very quickly these days. The Seahawks traded for a QB, paid him good money and then cut him despite that investment. They then paid up for one of the top free agents QBs on the market. They ended up going with a rookie 3rd round pick. It didn't matter how much the spent in cap and picks for the other guys. Carroll needed to win so he played the guy he thought gave him the best chance to win.

    I completely agree with you that is what Harbaugh is doing with McKinnie. He feels that he has better options and so he's going with them.
    Um, what are the better options at LT and don't say Oher because he cost us again today, that's two weeks in a row he cost us plus the Philly game. In fact, the guy who did him today studied Harrison's moves last week and copied them 100%.


    And with Jah's penalties and mistakes and
    starting us at 1st and 15??? Talk about
    inconsistencies.


    Come on man. These are not better options.




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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Um, what are the better options at LT and don't say Oher because he cost us again today, that's two weeks in a row he cost us. In fact, the guy who did him today studied Harrison's moves
    last week and copied them 100%.


    And with Jah's penalties and mistakes and
    starting us at 1st and 15???


    Come on man. These are not better options.
    I'm not saying they are better options. What I'm saying is that Harbaugh believes they are his best available options. Harbaugh is playing the guys that he thinks gives him the best chance to win. That doesn't mean he's right or wrong.
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    Re: FILMSTUDY: Offensive line model and notes vs. Steelers 12/2/12

    Whew! Thanks for clarifying that.

    I know you better than that, man.

    It's what HARBs thinks but he was definitely
    wrong the last 2 weeks and in Philly. ILMAO




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