Norv Turner, Welcome to Baltimore

**Paintballguy** · 12-07-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bhcforlife

I'm glad to see Pat Shurmur getting some mentions in here. That's the guy I would want. When you look at Cleveland's talent offensively, they seem to be better than they should be, albeit maybe not statistically. I was impressed with the stuff they did in that first game here this year, a game they should have won, and also with how they played between the 20's in the second game, a game they also could have won. They stay committed to running the ball and they work off that in the passing game...how the Ravens should be playing offense. I would be pleased if they brought in Shurmur.

Concerning Norv...no. If they are going to break from Cam, break from that system entirely and go a different direction.

I'm liking the Shurmur option more and more. He also did some good things with Bradford.

**bmorecareful** · 12-07-2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by saintmatthew

Wonder if Jason Garrett would be available next year....

So, for all the "let's fire Cam" people (and I've felt that too, lemme tell you) how would they feel knowing that vacancies in the staff here have traditionally been filled from in house via promotion, etc, meaning you could get the drunk for an OC instead?

There is absolutely no one on the Ravens offensive coaching staff who jumps out at me as a possible OC candidate. The only assistant coaches who are any good at all are Wade Harman (TEs coach, longest tenured Ravens assistant, did a great job coaching up Todd Heap and on his way to another great job with Pitta) and Jim Caldwell. Harman is not an option as he has no play calling experience whatsoever. I like Caldwell and think he COULD be an option, but his only real play calling experience was in the college ranks with Wake Forest and Penn State. I don't know what the organization thinks of Caldwell as an option.

The thought that the Ravens might retain Cam Cameron next year brings me great distress. The thought of them promoting one of our terrible offensive assistant coaches brings me almost as great distress. As one of the Evangelists (from the Greek "evangelion," for "bearer of good news"), you are not living up to your name, Saint Matthew.

**wickedsolo** · 12-07-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

There is absolutely no one on the Ravens offensive coaching staff who jumps out at me as a possible OC candidate. The only assistant coaches who are any good at all are Wade Harman (TEs coach, longest tenured Ravens assistant, did a great job coaching up Todd Heap and on his way to another great job with Pitta) and Jim Caldwell. Harman is not an option as he has no play calling experience whatsoever. I like Caldwell and think he COULD be an option, but his only real play calling experience was in the college ranks with Wake Forest and Penn State. I don't know what the organization thinks of Caldwell as an option.

The thought that the Ravens might retain Cam Cameron next year brings me great distress. The thought of them promoting one of our terrible offensive assistant coaches brings me almost as great distress. As one of the Evangelists (from the Greek "evangelion," for "bearer of good news"), you are not living up to your name, Saint Matthew.

Jim Caldwell would be the obvious choice if they decide to stay in house.

iggyman555 · 12-07-2012, 12:03 PM

PLEASE PAY JAY GRUDEN WHATEVER HE WANTS,.....pretty please

**saintmatthew** · 12-07-2012, 12:05 PM

Unfortunately for me, they don't allow apostrophe's in usernames....

**B-more Ravor** · 12-07-2012, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Yea, but now that Flacco has a lot of experience against a lot of tough defenses, bringing in a young/1st time offensive coordinator may not necessarily be a bad thing.

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree - depending on who it might be, I guess.

I just think that the Ravens brass is/has been more interested in a veteran OC.

**B-more Ravor** · 12-07-2012, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by iggyman555

PLEASE PAY JAY GRUDEN WHATEVER HE WANTS,.....pretty please

Jay Gruden is under contract with the Bengals for next year, and beyond, so it doesn't matter how much money we may want to offer him!

**wickedsolo** · 12-07-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

Jay Gruden is under contract with the Bengals for next year, and beyond, so it doesn't matter how much money we may want to offer him!

And unless he was coming here to be the HC, the Bengals would absolutely block any attempt for a lateral move to a divisional rival.

**RavensNTerps** · 12-07-2012, 12:24 PM

So just curiously, what will the excuses for Flacco be once we have a new OC? Will it be scheme again? Harbaugh's coaching? WRs? or OL?

Just curious.

I do agree that we will see a change in OC. We have to if for no other reason than that is just what happens as a side of the ball grows stagnant. I do not agree that it will inherently lead to better QB play which is the single biggest thing holding this offense back right now.

**Jsmoove** · 12-07-2012, 12:26 PM

fuck no!! don't want him don't want no more CROYELL no MORE AIR CROYELL!!!!

**Thrall** · 12-07-2012, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

There is absolutely no one on the Ravens offensive coaching staff who jumps out at me as a possible OC candidate. The only assistant coaches who are any good at all are Wade Harman (TEs coach, longest tenured Ravens assistant, did a great job coaching up Todd Heap and on his way to another great job with Pitta) and Jim Caldwell. Harman is not an option as he has no play calling experience whatsoever. I like Caldwell and think he COULD be an option, but his only real play calling experience was in the college ranks with Wake Forest and Penn State. I don't know what the organization thinks of Caldwell as an option.

The thought that the Ravens might retain Cam Cameron next year brings me great distress. The thought of them promoting one of our terrible offensive assistant coaches brings me almost as great distress. As one of the Evangelists (from the Greek "evangelion," for "bearer of good news"), you are not living up to your name, Saint Matthew.

Wilbert Montgomery ? I remember him making a suggestion to cam last year that worked, forget the game, and situation though. Always liked him as a player.

**Carey** · 12-07-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree - depending on who it might be, I guess.

I just think that the Ravens brass is/has been more interested in a veteran OC.

I do think experience will be where they'll lean. I think as long as it's someone that brings versatility, aggression, sound adjustments, etc. i wouldn't worry as much about the experience factor calling plays but it's easy for me to type that without being charged to make such a pivotal decision, especially with Flacco's contract looming. That alone makes me think it will be a veteran, as long as it's someone that can add those factors im all for whoever it is, regardless of scheme.