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    use Flacco's legs



    Why does Cam treat Flacco like he's a Scott Mitchell? He's no RG3, but he can move. Yet, rollouts are rare, and called QB runs are nonexistent, so opposing defenses don't have to worry about them. That makes defending the Ravens easier. I thought the job of an OC is to make defending his team more difficult. That doesn't seem to be the case here.
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    Maybe Flacco is making that decision? We don't really know all that much about the internal workings of the team

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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    Quote Originally Posted by OriAl View Post
    Why does Cam treat Flacco like he's a Scott Mitchell? He's no RG3, but he can move. Yet, rollouts are rare, and called QB runs are nonexistent, so opposing defenses don't have to worry about them. That makes defending the Ravens easier. I thought the job of an OC is to make defending his team more difficult. That doesn't seem to be the case here.
    How many starts has Flacco missed? How many has Eli Manning missed? How many has Philip Rivers missed?

    Now, thinking about this: How many starts has Big Jen missed? How many starts has Vick missed? How many do you think RGIII will miss (he's already missed 75% of a season in college from an ACL tear and has left a game with a concussion this season) throughout his career? Do you notice how McNabb washed out at age 33?

    The point being that QB's who don't scramble don't miss starts and don't get injured. Say what you want about Flacco but he's extremely durable. We haven't had to say "Oh, you beat us, but our QB wasn't even playing." Our QB plays, and that's because he makes plays with his arms, not his legs. That's what you have RB's for.




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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    I didn't say a lot of called running plays for Joe. I meant to use them occasionally, so defenses can't totally eliminate that possibility. And rollouts can take him away from pressure - they worked well in the second and third quarter of the AFC Championship game.
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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    I don't see how that's Cams fault, most of what Jen does when he runs out of the pocket is improvised by his self, Todd Haily isn't telling him to run on this play, if nobody is open Jen is running with it or extending plays. It's really up to Flacco on whether or not he wants to extend plays, but we have seen him do it before.




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    Flacco is a terrible roll out passer.




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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    Early on Flacco used to run. All last season he didn't run. Then came the playoffs and he ran well. This year the same thing. In the 4th qtr Sunday he had the opportunity to run for 20 yds instead he threw to Smith who was double covered. He could of ran down the sideline for a 1st down instead he threw. Is it a coaches decision to not run during the regular season??




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    Flacco is not a good runner. He's pretty slow. I think he'd even tell you that.

    If he and Brady ran a race, it would almost be like watching two guys run backwards.
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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    How many starts has Flacco missed? How many has Eli Manning missed? How many has Philip Rivers missed?

    Now, thinking about this: How many starts has Big Jen missed? How many starts has Vick missed? How many do you think RGIII will miss (he's already missed 75% of a season in college from an ACL tear and has left a game with a concussion this season) throughout his career? Do you notice how McNabb washed out at age 33?

    The point being that QB's who don't scramble don't miss starts and don't get injured. Say what you want about Flacco but he's extremely durable. We haven't had to say "Oh, you beat us, but our QB wasn't even playing." Our QB plays, and that's because he makes plays with his arms, not his legs. That's what you have RB's for.
    This!

    Joe gets paid to use his arm, not his legs. Give him time and he can knock a fly off a bull's ass at 60 yards. No need to risk injury trying to make him something he's not.
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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    I'd just like to see Joe's awareness and decision making in the pocket increase. Survey the field, nothing's available, MAKE A DECISION instead of tap-dancing in place patting the ball for another needless sack or strip-sack.

    Even statues like Brady the Lady, Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer use their legs to escape pocket pressure. I've seen Flacco's athletic ability, so it's not a question of IF he can do it.

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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    He can't use his brain that's for sure, so maybe give his legs a shot.




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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderraven View Post
    He can't use his brain that's for sure, so maybe give his legs a shot.
    Give him a break... He's from New Joisey

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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    How many starts has Flacco missed? How many has Eli Manning missed? How many has Philip Rivers missed?

    Now, thinking about this: How many starts has Big Jen missed? How many starts has Vick missed? How many do you think RGIII will miss (he's already missed 75% of a season in college from an ACL tear and has left a game with a concussion this season) throughout his career? Do you notice how McNabb washed out at age 33?

    The point being that QB's who don't scramble don't miss starts and don't get injured. Say what you want about Flacco but he's extremely durable. We haven't had to say "Oh, you beat us, but our QB wasn't even playing." Our QB plays, and that's because he makes plays with his arms, not his legs. That's what you have RB's for.
    Granted, you have a point there.... I know you didn't suggest this, but I wanted to point out that Flacco played hurt (or is he?). It is not surprising when you have the offensive linemen and a long-developed (and rudimentary??) playcalling like ours, he is expected to get hurt. It is a matter of time before he is incapable of playing due to an injury, in my opinion. On top of that, he likes to hold the ball a bit too long, IMO.

    Back to the OP, I understand the OP's point. Flacco does not have to scramble at every opportunity, but he should also capitalize on some opportunity to run and slide as a smart quarterback would. Tom Brady does that, and he is as durable as it gets (btw, Tom Brady missed significant games in a season for staying in the pocket, didn't he?) Last Sunday, he had at least two opportunities to run for a big gain, but he didn't.

    With a linebacker spies on Ray Rice on every snap (I think it is one of the reasons why Leach was open on those short FB passes), there is a chance that a certain area of the field will be open. I don't care if it is a short gain, I rather a short gain than a sack and/or possibly a jarring hit that could knock Flacco out or a game changing sack/strip.




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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    Quote Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52 View Post
    I'd just like to see Joe's awareness and decision making in the pocket increase. Survey the field, nothing's available, MAKE A DECISION instead of tap-dancing in place patting the ball for another needless sack or strip-sack.

    Even statues like Brady the Lady, Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer use their legs to escape pocket pressure. I've seen Flacco's athletic ability, so it's not a question of IF he can do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast
    It's really up to Flacco on whether or not he wants to extend plays, but we have seen him do it before. .
    Quote Originally Posted by Random Thoughts
    he should also capitalize on some opportunity to run and slide as a smart quarterback would.
    Agreed X 3! Nobody expects Tebow, RGIII, or Cam Newton. But it is not unreasonable nor reckless to ask for positive rushing yards, maybe to the tune of 15-25 yds/game from Joe. Especially if it replaces sacks, throwaways, and 3 and outs!

    When it's there - take it! that's a mindset he needs to adopt before he drops back into the pocket.




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    Re: use Flacco's legs

    He doesn't have a contract past the end of the year.
    A serious injury and he doesn't get his big pay day
    I wouldn't run under those conditions either.
    Ravens have put him in a tough situation that has now been exacerbated by his poor statistics.




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