Will Haloti Rebound?

**ravenjoe** · 12-06-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74

I'm worried a little that he's going to go the way of Todd Heap.

If he hasn't already?!

**arnie_uk** · 12-06-2012, 10:10 AM

That was ordered by coaching so he could handle the extra reps starting.

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

Arthur Jones-Haloti Ngata-McPhee sould be the future IMO, unless they want to go into a 4-3 scheme next season.

Have you noticed that McPhee has bulked up a lot too?

**leachisabeast** · 12-06-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by arnie_uk

That was ordered by coaching so he could handle the extra reps starting.

McPhee has similar measurements to Darnell Docket, would be awesome if he could become a player on the level of him.

**GOTA** · 12-06-2012, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

McPhee has similar measurements to Darnell Docket, would be awesome if he could become a player on the level of him.

McPhee has a very long way to go to become Dockett. What's interesting though is that both McPhee and Dockett are having poor seasons.

iggyman555 · 12-06-2012, 10:26 AM

yea it really sucks haloti is been innjured on and off the last 2 years we need him to get better...how has mcphee looked since he came back from injury?

**leachisabeast** · 12-06-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

McPhee has a very long way to go to become Dockett. What's interesting though is that both McPhee and Dockett are having poor seasons.

Yeah I know that, Docket was one of the best 5 technqiues in the league, he's seemed to have taken a slight nose dive recently though. But IF McPhee can come back healthy, and with another season under his belt, I think he can get better than what he was in his rookie year, and get to that kind of level.

**HoustonRaven** · 12-06-2012, 10:29 AM

Ngata will be fine.

He needs an off season of dropping a few pounds (the reason, IMO, he's been injured as often as he has) and healing up a few nagging injuries.

Remember, he's playing with a dinged up knee right now. You're not going to get that explosive push or lateral movement when you constantly have to worry about not snapping your MCL.

**leachisabeast** · 12-06-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Ngata will be fine.

He needs an off season of dropping a few pounds (the reason, IMO, he's been injured as often as he has) and healing up a few nagging injuries.

Remember, he's playing with a dinged up knee right now. You're not going to get that explosive push or lateral movement when you constantly have to worry about not snapping your MCL.

Exactly.

People forget that spraining your MCL is a significant injury, especially for someone who plays a high amount of snaps at DT. I still think he can contribute down the stretch, and is probably better used as a NT at this point, as it is a need in it's own right.

**Dirt1** · 12-06-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Ngata will be fine.

He needs an off season of dropping a few pounds (the reason, IMO, he's been injured as often as he has) and healing up a few nagging injuries.

Remember, he's playing with a dinged up knee right now. You're not going to get that explosive push or lateral movement when you constantly have to worry about not snapping your MCL.

I thought the reason Ngata put on some weight this past offseason was because he thought that his playing weight was too light last year, which caused him to get hurt last year?

**Jsmoove** · 12-06-2012, 10:58 AM

It aint Haloti when hes's getting double and some times trippled guys like Cody need tot ake advantage of those one on one matchups, have you seen Athur Jones lately? he's been sucking up those one on one matchups when they come the guy is in the back field automatically when he gets those matchups. Imagine if we had a good D coordinator? Jones would be looking really good right now

**jonboy79** · 12-06-2012, 11:26 AM

Below average? Maybe in someone's dreams do DT's average playhing that well...

He started out the season, YET AGAIN at a DPOY candidate, and slowed due to injuries. As has been mentioned by many, if we can get deeper on the DL and limit his snaps some, and keep him healthy, he's a DPOY candidate each and every year in which he can remain mostly healthy. He is amongst the very best FEW defensive players in the entire league. He is quite possibly the most effective defender in the run game at any position in the entire league. He's double and triple teamed on every snap, even when hampered with a pretty serious knee injury. He beats double teams as often as anyone in the league, despite a major knee injury...

I see the point of the thread, as he hasn't been able to stay healthy recently, btu despite that he continues to play, and play at a high level, and high snap count, game after game, year after year. He's a complete BEAST.

**bmorecareful** · 12-06-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

It aint Haloti when hes's getting double and some times trippled guys like Cody need tot ake advantage of those one on one matchups, have you seen Athur Jones lately? he's been sucking up those one on one matchups when they come the guy is in the back field automatically when he gets those matchups. Imagine if we had a good D coordinator? Jones would be looking really good right now

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Below average? Maybe in someone's dreams do DT's average playhing that well...

He started out the season, YET AGAIN at a DPOY candidate, and slowed due to injuries. As has been mentioned by many, if we can get deeper on the DL and limit his snaps some, and keep him healthy, he's a DPOY candidate each and every year in which he can remain mostly healthy. He is amongst the very best FEW defensive players in the entire league. He is quite possibly the most effective defender in the run game at any position in the entire league. He's double and triple teamed on every snap, even when hampered with a pretty serious knee injury. He beats double teams as often as anyone in the league, despite a major knee injury...

I see the point of the thread, as he hasn't been able to stay healthy recently, btu despite that he continues to play, and play at a high level, and high snap count, game after game, year after year. He's a complete BEAST.

Okay, guys. Go back and re-watch the game tape, paying close attention to the line play, of the last 3 games. Ngata isn't getting double teamed anymore. He's getting taken out of plays completely by single blocks. That doesn't mean he's doing NOTHING, but he's just not the dominant force he used to be and other teams know that, hence the fact that they're not even bothering to double him anymore.

The ONLY guy on the Ravens DL who's really seeing double teams at all right now is Kruger, and that's usually an OT and TE. Part of the reason why teams are running so well on the Ravens is that they can just single-block the DL, send the C to the second level, and control any blitzers with backfield protection. You've got to actually watch the games, the tape don't lie...