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12-05-2012, 11:23 AM #25Veteran Poster
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Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
Just thinking out loud....but is it possible the Ravens feel they already know what they have in Flacco? An above-average QB that is prone to maddeningly inconsistent performances?
It seems like the premise is that the Ravens have this big decision to make. Maybe they've already made it ("right player, right price") and they are more than prepared to move along without him next season. Remember, this is an organization (general manager) that felt confident enough with giving one first year head coach Scott Mitchell and Tony Banks, and another first year head coach Kyle Boller and Troy Smith.
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12-05-2012, 11:29 AM #26
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Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
IMO, the Ravens are going to franchise Flacco, and then wait to see what kind of money other QBs like Cutler and Matt Ryan get. Ryan is not a FA until 2014, but the speculation is that the Falcons are going to extend him this off-season. The Ravens can overpay Flacco to a point, but if he wants Top 3 QB money, they have to be prepared to move on from him.
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Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
There are only two quarterbacks in the league who wouldn't look lost in this offense, IMO. Peyton (who would morph the offense into his own version) and Rodgers. Flacco is not good enough to do what they want him to do, which is, run Cam's system and be consistent. But that's not an indictment. Like I said earlier, I believe there are only 2 quarterbacks who can. On the other hand, Harbaugh (and Cam to some degree, but mainly Harbaugh, since he's the HC) is not good enough to coach his franchise quarterback up to the level needed to win a Super Bowl. And there are at least 12 head coaches who could. So to me it isn't a question of over paying Flacco. It's a question of determining if he has the right people around him and then deciding what to do about it.
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12-05-2012, 11:31 AM #28
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Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
I made this same argument in another thread. Flacco is to good a player and difficult to replace for the Ravens to just let him walk. But he's not so good that you can tie a significant portion of your cap and him, which keeps you from upgrading the players around him. Flacco needs a good team to succeed. He's not going to put the team on his shoulders and carry them like Brees or Brady. And that's ok. The problem, when it all boils down to it, is Flacco's opinion of himself and his abilities is far higher than what it actually is.
Flacco is on pace to throw for what 25 TD's. If your paying 18 million a year, you have to get more than that.
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12-05-2012, 12:49 PM #29
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Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
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According to ESPN, Flacco is ranked #19 in the league so far this year in terms of passing stats. IMO, Flacco would need to rank a lot higher than that to justify kind of money he wants. If the Ravens want to be a run-first/balanced offense, then do they really need a $100+ million QB?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...rterbackRating
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12-05-2012, 01:21 PM #30Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
The argument of Cam/Harbs seeing something in Flacco that would force them to dummy things down pisses me off the most out of everything. Every #1 QB must be afforded an opportunity to run the full playbook, and fail, or else THERE WILL NEVER BE PROGRESS OR DEVELOPMENT. I agree that you may hold stuff back in rookie and 2nd yr, but no way do you it now in Flaccos case. QBs learn from their mistakes. The great ones don't make them again. The shit QBs continue making them again. Maybe Joe would continue to make those mistakes, but at least then, they wouldve determine his true value as a starting QB. How can you truly determine Flacco's worth if they've held stuff back. Another reason why Cam and Harbs should be fired.
I dont think they've held stuff back. When did Cam ever have a different system? Never. Cam is shit and if Harbs doesnt get rid of him soon, he is shit too.Last edited by ravensnhokies; 12-05-2012 at 01:29 PM.
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12-05-2012, 01:24 PM #32
Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
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Re: Overpaying Flacco could sink the Ravens
I know that everyone is anti Ozzie lately, but I think what Ozzie did was offer Joe a contract that seemed right for purely how Joe has played so far (not sure of that sum, but I'd guess anywhere between 70 and 90 million) but Joe wants more because of the wins that his team has had over the years.
Look, Joe is a good QB, above average for sure, but he isn't elite and never will be. Maybe he could have been better, and maybe his ceiling could have been higher had the coaching staff put him in a more QB friendly system, and I do put some blame on Steve and Ozzie for not cutting bait with Cam back in 2010. Cam is good for a young developmental QB, but after that, you really need to keep Cam away from a franchise QB.
I heard the franchise tag is more in the range of 14-15 million in 2013, so we will just have to bite the bullet and pay that while seeing how he does working under a better OC. The team is going to need to bring in some guys in the offseason to help this team though, we need to upgrade our Oline and front 7, and make them what they used to be.
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12-05-2012, 01:39 PM #34Legendary RSR Poster
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12-05-2012, 01:40 PM #35Veteran Poster
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