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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    Hmmm I seem to remember Kyle Boller being the #1. And then he got hurt. And then I remember Troy Smith being the starter. Who then got tonsilitis. Then I remember the 3rd QB (Flacco) being named the week one starter.

    But that doesn't fit your narrative of Harbaugh being inept and Tomlin being all-powerful does it?

    Again, short memories.
    I dont remember Boller or Smith was a named starter during week 1? With that said, Flacco was supposedly third in the depth chart, but he wasn't come the season.

    As for Harbaugh led the team to an AFCC, I guess he did since he was the head coach. Seriously, you are going to give him that much of a credit? His coaching staff did a pretty good job that year, but him? really?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Thoughts View Post
    I dont remember Boller or Smith was a named starter during week 1? With that said, Flacco was supposedly third in the depth chart, but he wasn't come the season.

    As for Harbaugh led the team to an AFCC, I guess he did since he was the head coach. Seriously, you are going to give him that much of a credit? His coaching staff did a pretty good job that year, but him? really?
    You're right about being prior to Week 1 but still, Flacco was the third string QB and forced to play.

    So why give Tomlin credit for any good season he has? He doesn't call plays. He has he same roles as Harbaugh.

    And sorry, usually when a coach comes into a 5-11 team and takes them to the playoffs and AFC for the first time since 2000, he usually gets a little credit. Who hired that coaching staff who did such a good job? Who changed a culture of 1 winning season followed by 1 losing season into a consistent contender?

    Jeez, I'm not even the biggest Harbaugh guy but it's astounding how much history people willfully ignore because they want each coach/player to fit into their own perspective of how good they are.
    Last edited by s.r.genovese; 12-04-2012 at 06:22 PM.




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    Granted, you have a point there.... He certainly did change the culture...

    As one of the posters mentioned, perhaps he isn't the kind of coach that will take us to the promise land?

    I don't know.

    I just wanted to draw the attention to Harbaugh rather than Cam. I meant, Cam has his shares, but Harbaugh should feel the heat from us.

    I am especially frustrated that we still do not trust our biggest playmakers when we have a solid lead.

    Like virtually every fan, I am not satisfied with going to the playoff annually. Sure, playoff is a big deal as not every team has that opportunity, especially 4+ years in a row. It is time for us to get over that hump, at least please.
    Last edited by Random Thoughts; 12-04-2012 at 06:29 PM. Reason: add the last two sentences.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Thoughts View Post
    Granted, you have a point there.... He certainly did change the culture...

    As one of the posters mentioned, perhaps he isn't the kind of coach that will take us to the promise land?

    I don't know.

    I just wanted to draw the attention to Harbaugh rather than Cam. I meant, Cam has his shares, but Harbaugh should feel the heat from us.

    I am especially frustrated that we still do not trust our biggest playmakers when we have a solid lead.
    You might be right. I don't know if he is that guy. But I certainly don't diminish his past successes because he can't seem to get us over the hump. A lot of posters want to throw his WHOLE career under the bus because the team is lacking right now. Especially when people say "Harbaugh could never do what Tomlin just did" when he has actually done MORE impressive things in the past (beating the Titans in the playoffs 2008 with that team is a lot more impressive than beating the Ravens with Batch in a reg season game, for example) That's not fair and not accurate.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    You might be right. I don't know if he is that guy. But I certainly don't diminish his past successes because he can't seem to get us over the hump. A lot of posters want to throw his WHOLE career under the bus because the team is lacking right now. Especially when people say "Harbaugh could never do what Tomlin just did" when he has actually done MORE impressive things in the past (beating the Titans in the playoffs 2008 with that team is a lot more impressive than beating the Ravens with Batch in a reg season game, for example) That's not fair and not accurate.

    So beating the Titans because of a missed fg is more impressive than going to two Superbowls? Ummmmmm. Ok.




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    I don't give a shit what Harbaugh's legacy is, his record, or how he looks on Wikipedia when the fans of whatever sorry ass team he ends up coaching for in another 4 years is.

    What I do know is he has pissed away 5 years of immense talent with zero command of what the fuck is going on on gameday. If we are winning, cruise control. Unless the talent of the team overcomes we certainly don't out game plan ANYONE.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    I don't give a shit what Harbaugh's legacy is, his record, or how he looks on Wikipedia when the fans of whatever sorry ass team he ends up coaching for in another 4 years is.

    What I do know is he has pissed away 5 years of immense talent with zero command of what the fuck is going on on gameday. If we are winning, cruise control. Unless the talent of the team overcomes we certainly don't out game plan ANYONE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    So beating the Titans because of a missed fg is more impressive than going to two Superbowls? Ummmmmm. Ok.
    Reading comprehension anyone? I was comparing the Titans game to to the win last week (you know, when you said Harbaugh could never win with a 3rd string QB? Remember that? If you had read you would have seen I had given Tomlin his due multiple times for being a great coach. But you only read what you want to read, which is fine too I guess.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    Again, I posed that scenario to illustrate what I believe to be the difference between the two coaches. Tomlin, when his team was backed into a corner, down to the third string quarterback, on the road against a bitter division rival and having just lost to said team two weeks prior, found a way to win. I don't think Harbaugh would have been able to do the same thing.
    Give Tomlin his due credit but lets not forget his team just went into Cleveland and lost to a much worse team, that had their backup QB playing for half the game. If anything the last 3 games of the Steelers season shows just how much parity their is in the NFL. A team that has lost two straight to an inferior team and the team they just beat can pull off an impossible upset. Its the NFL.




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    I think Tomlin is a real good coach. Based on his 2 Super Bowl appearances, he gets the nod over Harbaugh. That said, no coach is perfect:

    > If Batch played this well last Sunday, why was Leftwhich in the game in the end versus the Ravens in Pittsburgh when it was obvious to everybody that he could not throw the ball?
    > What team turned the ball over 8 times and lost to the Browns?
    > What coach had his team at 6-2 in 2009 and then "unleashed hell" while losing 5 straight and missing the playoffs?
    > What coach got his team eliminated by Tim Tebow.

    Every coach has a limited shelf life. I suspect many on this board will get their wish eventually. The Ravens will be lucky if their next coach is of the caliber of Tomlin or Harbaugh.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    Again, I posed that scenario to illustrate what I believe to be the difference between the two coaches. Tomlin, when his team was backed into a corner, down to the third string quarterback, on the road against a bitter division rival and having just lost to said team two weeks prior, found a way to win. I don't think Harbaugh would have been able to do the same thing.
    I agree! Tomlin made the necessary adjustments; Harbaugh continues to stick with the 'same 'ol - same 'ol'....just my opinion, of course. Our team CONTINUES to make mental mistakes; does not adjust situationally; and, at least on the surface, does not hold his players accountable, as evidenced by the continuous penalties they incur during the game. Time will tell; but, Tomlin has won two SBs....Harbs, none!
    "Grab those pusillanimous sons-a-bitches by the nose and kick 'em in the balls.." General George S. Patton




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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    but, Tomlin has won two SBs....Harbs, none!
    Unbelievable...




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    Harbaugh is Andy Reid except without any knowledge of offense or defense. One of the luckiest coach in football.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    Hmmm I seem to remember Kyle Boller being the #1. And then he got hurt. And then I remember Troy Smith being the starter. Who then got tonsilitis. Then I remember the 3rd QB (Flacco) being named the week one starter.

    But that doesn't fit your narrative of Harbaugh being inept and Tomlin being all-powerful does it? You pointed out one example of Tomlin performing a good coaching job (one game mind you). Then I point out a protracted example of a good coaching job over an entire season and you refute it with "WELL HE DIDN'T BEAT TOMLIN AND DIDN'T DO IT WITH CHARLIE BATCH SO HE STILL SUCKS."

    Again, short memories. Tomlin's a really good coach. Harbaugh is a good coach too. They can both be good coaches, it's not one or the other.
    if this doesnt show you how bad John Harbaugh is at judging talent, I dont know what else to show you.

    He had Kyle Boller and Troy Smith ahead of Joe on the depth chart. I really dont care about him being a rookie. Anything was better than Kyle Boller and Troy Smith wasnt much better.

    Joe should have been the starter from day one.

    John does not trust young players. He does not like to try and develop young players, because hes afraid of them turning the ball over. Too conservative to make it in this league.




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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    Joe should have been the starter from day one.
    Just like Brady?

    John does not trust young players. He does not like to try and develop young players, because hes afraid of them turning the ball over. Too conservative to make it in this league.
    Rice > McGahee
    Pitta/Dixon > Heap
    Torrey Smith > Mason
    Tucker > Cundiff

    Fuck it...it's not worth it.




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