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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...



    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    Are they going to see defenses like Pittsburgh down the stretch or defenses like Oakland's?
    WHich offensive showing is more relevant???
    They're all relevant. And none of them is relevant.

    Different weeks, different defenses, different game plans. The Ravens game plan against PIT was very conservative both times. The second time that game plan bit them in the ass when PIT scored some late points that our offense couldn't scramble to cover.

    That doesn't tell me the team is incapable of putting up more points, it just tells me that in the 2d PIT game we didn't win. Poor scheme, poor execution, probably both, but I do not conclude that the Ravens are incapable of putting up points in the future. Obviously they *can*, they just *didn't*.

    You can't say "If I mangle the numbers in this way, I get this result," and then in the next breath say "The numbers don't lie," and expect nobody to point out the inconsistency.
    Festivus

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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    They're all relevant. And none of them is relevant.

    Different weeks, different defenses, different game plans. The Ravens game plan against PIT was very conservative both times. The second time that game plan bit them in the ass when PIT scored some late points that our offense couldn't scramble to cover.

    That doesn't tell me the team is incapable of putting up more points, it just tells me that in the 2d PIT game we didn't win. Poor scheme, poor execution, probably both, but I do not conclude that the Ravens are incapable of putting up points in the future. Obviously they *can*, they just *didn't*.

    You can't say "If I mangle the numbers in this way, I get this result," and then in the next breath say "The numbers don't lie," and expect nobody to point out the inconsistency.
    Okay. Excluding the game against the team that is last in the NFL in points against, the Ravens have scored 6 Offensive Td's in their last 5 games.

    Here's another: In 6 road games, they have scored 6 offensive touchdowns.




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    Cam Cameron is INCOMPETENT - and the sooner Biscotti realizes it the sooner he will begin to get to where he wants to go - the Superbowl.

    The wheels are going to come off theRavens cart the next four games - and there is nothing the team can do about it - absolutely NOTHING - because Cam doesn't change - he's still waiting for the play execution to improve.




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    What...two or three times in an entire season? And they actually worked?!

    If it works...it gets thrown out.

    In all seriousness, this is what frustrates me the most.

    The no huddle worked...so they stopped.
    Crossing patterns to Torrey worked...so they stopped.
    Boldin working the middle of the field works...so they hardly use it.
    Jacoby may be the best player on the team in open space...so they hardly run him in open spaces.
    The offense works well with 3 WR sets...so they run a traditional WR, WR, FB, TE, RB set.

    The whole thing is just kind of crazy.
    It's like Cavanaugh has Cameron under his spell.




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    Cam Cameron is INCOMPETENT - and the sooner Biscotti realizes it the sooner he will begin to get to where he wants to go - the Superbowl.

    The wheels are going to come off theRavens cart the next four games - and there is nothing the team can do about it - absolutely NOTHING - because Cam doesn't change - he's still waiting for the play execution to improve.
    Ding. The Steelers game was the last straw for me. Cameron and his Ihop menu need to go.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    Okay. Excluding the game against the team that is last in the NFL in points against, the Ravens have scored 6 Offensive Td's in their last 5 games.

    Here's another: In 6 road games, they have scored 6 offensive touchdowns.
    I'm not saying everything looks fine. After every week there is film study at the facility because there are things to learn from last week's game, win lose or draw. Sunday's game was particularly bad, in every phase of the game, so there is *ahem* a lot to learn.

    Here are stats: 5 years, 5 winning seasons. 4 full years, 4 postseasons, with at least one victory in each, including one on the road in each.

    I'm not saying you're wrong to be concerned after the debacle we saw late Sunday afternoon. I'm just saying numbers *do* lie, particularly when you dice them up as you've done.

    People around here - and everywhere, really, but here is no exception - want black and white in a world of gray.
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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I don't watch the post game press conferences with Harbaugh. Does anyone ever ask him why they stop those things? I'd be curious to hear his answers. The no-huddle would be the most interesting because it was the thing they talked about so much in the preseason. They've completely thrown it out and I've never heard why. It seemed to be working a lot better than what they have now.
    I usually don't either, because I abhor the coachspeak you generally get from those things. Oddly enough, I listened after the Pittsburgh game, and I noticed something very strange. When asked about the defense, his responses were thoughtful and detailed, even going so far as to discuss alignment and personnel groupings. But when asked about the offense he usually responded with terse, bland comments that neither detailed strategy or tactics. He usually ended with statements along the lines of "our guys fought and we have to get better." Anyone else notice this?




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    Cam Cameron is INCOMPETENT - and the sooner Biscotti realizes it the sooner he will begin to get to where he wants to go - the Superbowl.

    The wheels are going to come off theRavens cart the next four games - and there is nothing the team can do about it - absolutely NOTHING - because Cam doesn't change - he's still waiting for the play execution to improve.
    IMO. Cam isn't going anywhere before the season is over, so it's wasted breath right now.

    The hand wringing over the team "imploding" isn't necessary. I think its fandom at work.

    I'm not excited that the Ravens blew a chance at sweeping their rival for a second straight season and clinch the division, but when you look at the league, there are no stellar teams.

    I'm not sold that the wheels are coming off. Record wise we are in good shape,even though we have 4 very tough, games ahead, none are impossible.

    We need 1-2 more wins to get in to the playoffs. After that, it's anyone's game.




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    At home this offense was night and day, but see it struggle now at home? this is not what a championship team does in the month of december, we are not a going anywhere playing like this you can't play inconsistent down the stretch you just can't the offense was suppose to carry the D this year because we know the D would fall off but if neither unit can carry each other then its a wrap.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    How about the routes across the field against San Deigo where he than ran for big gains afterwards..
    SD plays a much different defense than does Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh dared us to beat them on the outside. Flacco failed. What can you do?




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    SD plays a much different defense than does Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh dared us to beat them on the outside. Flacco failed. What can you do?
    Not force the ball to the outside?




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    SD plays a much different defense than does Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh dared us to beat them on the outside. Flacco failed. What can you do?
    I just meant in general. I don't recall seeing Torrey run those routes all year.

    My point is there are things that work and whne they do, we don't see them again. It's like they test it out and say "we're gonna use this when we need to" i.e. down late in games.
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