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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...



    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    They did actually use it several times Sunday - unfortunately, with little success.
    I haven't rewatched the game yet, but I do believe they used 1 play action pass with that formation in the 1st half and it was a success. But your broader point, that every time McKinnie comes in they generally don't execute, is true.




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by bensmotorcyclehelmt View Post
    Of note, This offense was much better when Torrey was running something other than a 9 route EVERY PLAY. Remember the preseason and first 6 weeks of the season? Torey was sticking his foot in the ground, and coming back for the ball making corners look like fools. The Ravens need to get back to that.
    How about the routes across the field against San Deigo where he than ran for big gains afterwards..
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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by bensmotorcyclehelmt View Post
    Offense is predictable. Torrey deep, Quan across the middle, keep Pitta and Rice in to max protect, chuck it deep for a PI call.

    Maybe I'm romanticizing it a bit in my mind, but it seems like Cam was more creative when Flacco was a rookie.

    IMO, the solution is easy.

    Give the ball to one of the best players in the NFL! Rice needs the ball EVERY first and second down to make 3rd down short and mangeable.

    THEN you get Flacco and the supporting cast involved and send Torrey deep.

    Of note, This offense was much better when Torrey was running something other than a 9 route EVERY PLAY. Remember the preseason and first 6 weeks of the season? Torey was sticking his foot in the ground, and coming back for the ball making corners look like fools. The Ravens need to get back to that.
    I think you would not necessarily be wrong for thinking that there was more creativity when Flacco was a rookie. I think that was because they had to get creative.

    Also, their OL his rookie year was pretty damn good. Their defense was also still a top tiered D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Two words.

    Dick. Lebeau.
    It does seem as though he nearly owns Cam Cameron. Cam's got 1 blowout under the belt, but other than that Dick's got his number.




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    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    How many if you "minus" the game @ PIT instead of OAK?

    "The numbers don't lie," indeed.

    Are they going to see defenses like Pittsburgh down the stretch or defenses like Oakland's?
    WHich offensive showing is more relevant???




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    How about the routes across the field against San Deigo where he than ran for big gains afterwards..
    What...two or three times in an entire season? And they actually worked?!

    If it works...it gets thrown out.

    In all seriousness, this is what frustrates me the most.

    The no huddle worked...so they stopped.
    Crossing patterns to Torrey worked...so they stopped.
    Boldin working the middle of the field works...so they hardly use it.
    Jacoby may be the best player on the team in open space...so they hardly run him in open spaces.
    The offense works well with 3 WR sets...so they run a traditional WR, WR, FB, TE, RB set.

    The whole thing is just kind of crazy.

    If I'm Harbaugh, I don't care if my D gets tired. I'm asking my offense to go out there and score points. Period. Score points. Score quickly. Take your time. I don't care. Score. Score. Score.

    The D is hurting this year and can't stop much of anyone.

    The best remedy for that is to get opponents playing from behind quickly and trying to play catch up. THAT will tire them out and it will force them to throw the ball more, which gives the D the best opportunity to capitalize on bad throws and/or possibly get off the field quicker as a result of them throwing the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LC_Ravens_87 View Post
    It does seem as though he nearly owns Cam Cameron. Cam's got 1 blowout and 3 4th quarter or overtime game winning drives under the belt, but other than that Dick's got his number.
    Fixed.




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think you would not necessarily be wrong for thinking that there was more creativity when Flacco was a rookie. I think that was because they had to get creative.

    Also, their OL his rookie year was pretty damn good. Their defense was also still a top tiered D.
    I'd like to see a few game plans from '08 revisited...

    I was thinking it was the Oline too, but this offense looked much better to start the season and its pretty much the same people. So that tells me it's Joe or Cam's offense that's entirely too predicatable. When I can predict the play, you know great d coordinators like Lebeau can.




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    What...two or three times in an entire season? And they actually worked?!

    If it works...it gets thrown out.

    In all seriousness, this is what frustrates me the most.

    The no huddle worked...so they stopped.
    Crossing patterns to Torrey worked...so they stopped.
    Boldin working the middle of the field works...so they hardly use it.
    Jacoby may be the best player on the team in open space...so they hardly run him in open spaces.
    The offense works well with 3 WR sets...so they run a traditional WR, WR, FB, TE, RB set.

    The whole thing is just kind of crazy.

    If I'm Harbaugh, I don't care if my D gets tired. I'm asking my offense to go out there and score points. Period. Score points. Score quickly. Take your time. I don't care. Score. Score. Score.

    The D is hurting this year and can't stop much of anyone.

    The best remedy for that is to get opponents playing from behind quickly and trying to play catch up. THAT will tire them out and it will force them to throw the ball more, which gives the D the best opportunity to capitalize on bad throws and/or possibly get off the field quicker as a result of them throwing the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Fixed.
    I don't really give coordinators credit for those. To each his own, but for me at the end of games, players win the games.




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    What...two or three times in an entire season? And they actually worked?!

    If it works...it gets thrown out.

    In all seriousness, this is what frustrates me the most.

    The no huddle worked...so they stopped.
    Crossing patterns to Torrey worked...so they stopped.
    Boldin working the middle of the field works...so they hardly use it.
    Jacoby may be the best player on the team in open space...so they hardly run him in open spaces.
    The offense works well with 3 WR sets...so they run a traditional WR, WR, FB, TE, RB set.

    The whole thing is just kind of crazy.

    If I'm Harbaugh, I don't care if my D gets tired. I'm asking my offense to go out there and score points. Period. Score points. Score quickly. Take your time. I don't care. Score. Score. Score.

    The D is hurting this year and can't stop much of anyone.

    The best remedy for that is to get opponents playing from behind quickly and trying to play catch up. THAT will tire them out and it will force them to throw the ball more, which gives the D the best opportunity to capitalize on bad throws and/or possibly get off the field quicker as a result of them throwing the ball.
    I don't watch the post game press conferences with Harbaugh. Does anyone ever ask him why they stop those things? I'd be curious to hear his answers. The no-huddle would be the most interesting because it was the thing they talked about so much in the preseason. They've completely thrown it out and I've never heard why. It seemed to be working a lot better than what they have now.
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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    It's like Cam is saving plays/sets for a rainy day, but that day never comes...




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    Re: Minus Oakland--6 Offensive Td's in Last 5 Games...

    Quote Originally Posted by bensmotorcyclehelmt View Post
    It's like Cam is saving plays/sets for a rainy day, but that day never comes...
    That would explain mine and Wicked's frustration. But like you sad, that day never comes.

    The ONLY time I remember seeing that day was after the first 3 or 4 drives in the Championship game against New England. Not all but the majority of the way that game was called (after the first 3 or 4 series) was called pretty well.
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    That's a disturbing stat. The Air coryell offense is not working with the personnel we have. We need to get our guys in motion. One thing I read in a sports illustrated story on Torrey Smith is that the Ravens receivers are often ask to "bend/round" out their routes instead of "stepping" out of their routes. I thought that comment by Torrey was quite telling because he explained the difficulty in doing that. To me that's asking Joe to be perfect on those throws. Personally I don't see how that philosophy gives our receivers an edge in separation and when you combine that trend with our inconsistent OL line play and Cam's playcalling it yields the current results we see.
    I think it's time to get back to smash mouth football and run the ball with Ray Rice and Pierce and start attacking the middle of the field with 10-15 yard routes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    If I'm Harbaugh, I don't care if my D gets tired. I'm asking my offense to go out there and score points. Period. Score points. Score quickly. Take your time. I don't care. Score. Score. Score.

    The D is hurting this year and can't stop much of anyone.

    The best remedy for that is to get opponents playing from behind quickly and trying to play catch up. THAT will tire them out and it will force them to throw the ball more, which gives the D the best opportunity to capitalize on bad throws and/or possibly get off the field quicker as a result of them throwing the ball.
    That is exactly what I thought they would do in San Diego. Instead, Harbaugh said he wanted a "AFC North" style of game. Yeah, it worked, barely, but not until the Ravens had to go with the "score, score, score" offense at the end.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I don't watch the post game press conferences with Harbaugh. Does anyone ever ask him why they stop those things? I'd be curious to hear his answers. The no-huddle would be the most interesting because it was the thing they talked about so much in the preseason. They've completely thrown it out and I've never heard why. It seemed to be working a lot better than what they have now.
    Well, the question never gets asked, or if it does get asked, Harbaugh is going to give a very vague answer. I wonder if the question has been asked off-the-record and if any answer was given. I suspect that it has been asked, but again, the answer was probably vague.

    I think the real reason, and the reason you'll never get a straight answer, is that Harbaugh and/or Cameron still do not trust Flacco to completely run the no-huddle, spread offense. And they may have very valid reasons not to....I myself am not convinced that Flacco has the field vision and quick decision-making it requires.

    The good news? I can't see any of the next 4 opponents putting up anything less than 20 points on the Ravens defense. They will HAVE to let the reigns loose to win these games. Flacco has a great opportunity to go up against some of the best QBs in the league and show what he can do.




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