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  1. #31

    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?



    Quote Originally Posted by RavensQB View Post
    Do you really think Billick was going to come out and publicly say that his good friend had a drinking problem and wasn't working hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Bisciotti is Cam's biggest fan. If he hasn't fired him over the last four years, he never will. Playing not to lose and hoping for good defense is how Bisciotti wants it. He doesn't want an exposive offense.
    Is it more likely that Bisciotti doesn't want to fire Cam because he likes a conservative offense (Cam isn't conservative. He's vanilla), or Harbaugh won't fire the guy that gave him his first football gig at Indiana?




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensQB View Post
    What was the Ravens record when Jim Fassil was let go?

    4-2
    Great Comparison. 4-2 versus 9-3.




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    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

    I'd take Gruden over Harbs. Just saying.

    But yes he need's to say something. Just making the playoffs isn't good enough anymore, not when you have the roster the Ravens have. Biscotti is paying out alot of money and we're constantly close to the salary cap. Christ could you imagine what would happen if we flip flopped roster's with say NE and Bellichek got ahold of it? Even WITH Flacco instead of Brady? Christ can you say another dynasty?




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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Bisciotti is Cam's biggest fan. If he hasn't fired him over the last four years, he never will. Playing not to lose and hoping for good defense is how Bisciotti wants it. He doesn't want an exposive offense.
    Bisciotti let Billick stand by Cavanaugh because he felt the HC should make those decisions. In the end, though, it was probably one of the several factors that help lead to Billick's dismissal.

    It may well be the same with Harbaugh if he doesn't cut bait this time.
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    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

    you know I would too harbaugh is starting to show me some things especially this season.




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    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    Is it more likely that Bisciotti doesn't want to fire Cam because he likes a conservative offense (Cam isn't conservative. He's vanilla), or Harbaugh won't fire the guy that gave him his first football gig at Indiana?
    no doubt he's stated that winning is about possession time and converting 3rd downs. It's worked pretty well for him so it's hard to say he's wrong but you can say that's his philosophy, like it or not. Then you see some of these rookie QBs throwing the ball 50 times and winning. I just think the league has changed and continues to favor high octane offenses, not that the conservative ones can't still win their share
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    no doubt he's stated that winning is about possession time and converting 3rd downs. It's worked pretty well for him so it's hard to say he's wrong but you can say that's his philosophy, like it or not. Then you see some of these rookie QBs throwing the ball 50 times and winning. I just think the league has changed and continues to favor high octane offenses, not that the conservative ones can't still win their share
    That's great, but like I said, Cam isn't necessarily conservative. He's predictable and inconsistent. We throw deep to Torrey about 5 times a game. That's one of the lowest percentage plays in the game. We had a lead in the 4th quarter yesterday and the running back that we just signed to a huge deal didn't touch the ball.




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    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    I'm hearing a lot of talk from fans about having Bisciotti or Ozzie step in and fire Cam and Pees. I have always come from the school of thought that says that head coaches should get to choose their own coordinators, and they should live and die with those choices. Cam is going on his third season of showing absolute ineptitude. It is quite obvious that Harbaugh has no intention of firing the guy. We have an o-line coach that you could make an easy case for firing him based on performance, but sadly, you have a slam dunk reason to fire him based on behavior. Harbaugh is not capable of pulling the trigger and firing a fellow coach, and it's a problem. It is not the owner's job to do that for him, and it could be detrimental to the team for an owner to do that. Owner's have egos, and sometimes when they make the right call it goes to their heads. The death of the Orioles happened when Angelos made one good call by overriding Gillick on trading Bonilla. After that Pete thought he knew more than the baseball guys.

    The bottom line is that if Harbaugh can't see, or refuses to accept, that these guys are holding the team back, then Harbaugh is actually holding the team back.
    Whatever, if we would have scored just 4 more points, give up 4 fewer, or a comibination of the two, this board would be rejoicing and singing the praises of the team while the Steelers board would be melting down asking for the dismantlement of the team.




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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    Do you really think Billick was going to come out and publicly say that his good friend had a drinking problem and wasn't working hard?
    Here is what Fassel is up to these days:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/sp...pagewanted=all

    It says that Fassel and Billick - who were friends - have not spoken since he got fired from the Ravens. Seems like his credibility in the league is shot.




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    Considering that Ray Lewis can probably call a better defensive game plan and Flacco can call a better offense with a little backup from Caldwell, I'm starting to find little use for Cam or Pees.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    you seriously think they're going to fire coaches mid-season of a 9-3 team that's been to two AFCC recently? wow
    Forget it, sigh.

    We just lost one game at home and obviously we need to rebuild, new coaches, new QB, new OL, new recievers, new front seven, new new new.




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    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    I think that kind of input is too meddling for an owner. All the owner needs to say to Harbaugh is, "This level of play is not sufficient. Fix it!". Then you sit back and see how he reacts. Harbaugh is much more likely to blame players than coordinators. Hell, the guy gives his coordinators game balls pretty regularly.
    Mmm, if I'm the owner I don't want to hear my coach say Yessir we'll fix it right away & rush off--it he didn't already know there was a problem he'd be an idiot, & if he did & knew how to fix it he should already be implementing that. Or at least sounding me out if he's not sure I'd be OK with what he wants to do.

    So maybe I'd amend the long speeh & have Bisciotti say, The team seems to be playing in an extremely risk-avoiding manner that I don't think is going to cut it against the top-flight opponents we're facing for the rest of the season. What do you suggest we do? Is opening things up & taking more chances appropriate? If not, what do we do instead?




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    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

    Look, it is a talented team that is run using the entire bend but do not break spectrum.

    This is why Tampa Bay could not get over the hump with Dungy. It took Chuckie to boost the Buc's offense. Dungy then went to Peyton's place and built a Tampa 2 Cover defense to get the Colts over the hump.

    What we have here is a head coach incapable of doing anything but riding the talent assembled. Without ownership interdiction the Raven's are fucked.

    The Raven's play all season long like a team with a few kings in checkers, then when playoffs start, and everyone else start's playing chess, the Raven's coaching staff is scratching their asses saying 'King me!'




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    Re: Do you really want the Biscuit to step in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    Look, it is a talented team that is run using the entire bend but do not break spectrum.
    I'm coming to the conclusion that it's really not that talented a team. Think about it--who do we have on defense? Outside of a few guys who are old, hurt, playing hurt &/or recovering, everyone else is average & the pipeline is damn near dry. Meanwhile the offense has some topnotch skill guys but is consistently hobbled by Joe's inconsistency & the entire OL's graduate studies at Famous Matadors' School.

    If this team really had superior talent, it could prosper with a risk-averse approach--hell, it has prospered for the last 4 years doing that. As it stands, the avoidance of risk just means waiting around & hoping to catch a break.




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