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  1. #49
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    Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Maybe it does explain it. Cam has been such complete shit as a coach that he can't even teach the basics to Joe. Hopefully Joe hasn't been ruined as is still able to correct things with a better teacher.
    Wasn't that why they brought in Jim Caldwell? I don't see the improvement this year even after having a QB coach. He showed glimpses in week 1 and then regressed. Cam has not helped matters. Joe will never thrive and progress under Cam's leadership, but still....





  2. #50

    Re: Average Joe

    Flacco played like shit tonight. That said, the defense played worse, and we were outcoached badly (not just X's and O's and timeout/challenge management, but also in terms of motivation/effort).

    It was an embarrassing loss at home in the biggest game of the year to a 3rd string QB. We'll see how we respond vs. the Skins in a game that presents serious challenges to our on-the-road style of play.





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    Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    No. But deep passes are low probability plays anyway. They're hoping that the receiver makes a huge play or draws a penalty.

    It wouldnt be such a big deal, except in Cam's offense that is 90% of the routes they run.

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    Which is ESPECIALLY sad considering Joe Flacco has the worst completion percentage on throws more than 10 yards downfield this season (40.3 percent).





  4. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    Thanks for the facts on what a bad game it was for Rice.
    Can you read? Rice had a 6 play stretch where he produced 5 yards, including a mind-numbing drop on a screen that would have gone for 20 yards.

    Yes, he had some good runs. But he wasn't consistently ripping off good gains. 54 of his yards came on 3 runs. The other 9, he had 24. I have a high bar for Rice because he is an All-Pro caliber player, but he hasn't had a truly good game against the Steelers in a long time. Tonight was no different--they seem to have his number.

    I don't put all the blame on Rice, as the run play calls were predictable and the interior OL was poor in run blocking, but tonight was no better than an average performance by Ray Rice. Of course, Flacco is the only Raven held to a standard where he MUST be perfect every play regardless of how the players around him are performing.





  5. #53

    Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by lowrider View Post
    Seriously, you're comparing him to Alex Smith?
    Joe is barely on pace to break 20 touchdowns.

    Hes not very good.





  6. #54

    Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    I'm the guy laughing at people like you.

    Pats weren't the worst pass defense last year.
    They were 31st in pass defense and total defense....





  7. Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Can you read? Rice had a 6 play stretch where he produced 5 yards, including a mind-numbing drop on a screen that would have gone for 20 yards.

    Yes, he had some good runs. But he wasn't consistently ripping off good gains. 54 of his yards came on 3 runs. The other 9, he had 24. I have a high bar for Rice because he is an All-Pro caliber player, but he hasn't had a truly good game against the Steelers in a long time. Tonight was no different--they seem to have his number.

    I don't put all the blame on Rice, as the run play calls were predictable and the interior OL was poor in run blocking, but tonight was no better than an average performance by Ray Rice. Of course, Flacco is the only Raven held to a standard where he MUST be perfect every play regardless of how the players around him are performing.

    What are you talking about? So he had 78 yards in 3 quarters against the best defense in football and this is a negative in your eyes? And you can kill that strawman "Does Flacco have to be perfect!?!" argument, because expecting your QB not to turn the ball over twice in the 4th quarter when you have the lead isn't asking for perfection, its asking for competence.





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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinG View Post

    Which is ESPECIALLY sad considering Joe Flacco has the worst completion percentage on throws more than 10 yards downfield this season (40.3 percent).
    Without looking I would venture that his attempts on passes more than fifteen yards are tops in the league, or pretty close.

    A lot of qb's hardly ever throw it more than ten yards.

    They should be getting the ball to play makers in space. Not getting the ball to play makers 40 yards down the field when they are covered.

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  9. #57

    Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Without looking I would venture that his attempts on passes more than fifteen yards are tops in the league, or pretty close.

    A lot of qb's hardly ever throw it more than ten yards.

    They should be getting the ball to play makers in space. Not getting the ball to play makers 40 yards down the field when they are covered.

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    This is what teams that wanna move the ball do. Let your playmakers do what they do ...make plays. Getting the ball to Rice, Smith and even Jones and Boldin in space 5-15 downfield is not a bad thing, it would be a blessing. Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers instead of just chucking it up and hoping for the best, you never know...you just might make some plays ... like a 4th and 29 etc.
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  10. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I don't think he's anywhere near worth $100 million.

    Matt Schaub's contract needs to be the standard here. Maybe less. I think around $14 million per should be max.

    You can't give him more based on what you "think" he will do without Cam...the Ravens screwed that up by not actually trying to see what they had earlier by firing Cam a year or 2 ago.
    Tough decisions should be made as soon as possible b/c there's only more isht to clean up as one pussyfoots.
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  11. #59

    Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Can you read? Rice had a 6 play stretch where he produced 5 yards, including a mind-numbing drop on a screen that would have gone for 20 yards.
    I thought that was a bad throw by Flacco, but I could be mistaken.. don't really feel like going back to watch it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Yes, he had some good runs. But he wasn't consistently ripping off good gains. 54 of his yards came on 3 runs.
    You can't discount big gains, because you aren't going to get them every play - just like I won't say "if you take out the bad plays.."

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    The other 9, he had 24.
    So you selectively choose to add up only the short runs/no gains and take out the chunk gains? At the end of the day, he averaged 6.5 yards a carry, I don't give a crap how he gets them.

    BTW, I'm not putting the blame on Flacco - blame it on whatever or whoever you like.. I just disagree with the Rice comment, given his opportunities.





  12. #60

    Re: Average Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    The team may have lost a gamble here by not firing Cam a while ago.

    Right now we are going on what we think he can do without Cam...instead of knowing.

    Really, Joe has ALL the leverage here. We have no choice really...he may be one of those guys who max out like a Schaub (really not a bad thing), and you can't easily replace a guy like Joe.
    Amen... We all knew you could never determine Joe's true worth under Cam's system. Now the Ravens are unfortunately going to have to make a franchise decision that will be the turning point for the future without any definite answers.





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