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    Yes Joe was high on some passes.... have to get the ball over the underneath man.
    Hey diddle diddle run the out not the middle.
    Mattison could have done the same to Cam's offense, especially not having to defend part of the field.

    But I will say that Can is a genius.... He has to be to get and hold onto a job.
    And he does make adjustments.... He adjusted Jim Zorn, more testimony to his genius < end sarcasm>

    I am so freaking tired of hearing "lack of execution"
    Draw up a game plan that your players are more capable of executing! The armchair analysts (myself included) are screaming to use the middle of the field .... don't you know that Leach can catch the ball? Did you ever consider that he would be wide open underneath once he barrels through the line? Others have covered a number of plays that Cam doesn't seem to know how to work into a highly executable game plan. Of course it is always going to be lack of execution and NEVER The great Cam's fault .... remember the 1-15 record of Miami? It was he didn't have the players!!!! Not his game plan fault.. not ever Cam's fault... the man is a freaking genius at ducking responsibility.



    @Ravininwoodlawn, I also noticed Ed jumping routes and then scrambling to get back to the open guy behind him.

    One more reason why the Yellows won, time of possession!
    Our O had 25:39 our D was on the field for 34:21 .... things like that tire a pass rush/secondary out in the 4th Q....
    so one more reason that Malcolm "Typhoid Mary" Cameron is also the most dangerous person to our D and nobody suspects...

    Note to Steve Bisciotti, hope you have a plan to undo the damage being done by holding onto Cam instead of Zorn. All you will see on boards like this is anger and frustration, what you won't see is the outlying growing indifference, I'm on other forums where the Ravens are no longer mentioned at all and the Redskins have also stopped being discussed (Orakpo/Carriker injuries) But we are not talking about die-hard fans, just casual fans and Typhoid Cam is damaging the general buzz for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    He was constantly throwing off his back foot and thus putting too much air under his throws. He was doing this even when he wasn't pressured. Had he used good mechanics and stepped into his throws, those would have been much better throws and not under throws.
    Agreed.

    It was evident for me on his first pass to Torrey.

    And I'm pretty sure I remember a dirt ball to start the second half.

    On a side note, I'm getting awfully tired of folks making this an either / or debate For some odd reason, if you point out the very specific player failures in this game, you're now somehow pro-Cam and think he's the greatest thing since the frozen pizza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Agreed.

    It was evident for me on his first pass to Torrey.

    And I'm pretty sure I remember a dirt ball to start the second half.

    On a side note, I'm getting awfully tired of folks making this an either / or debate For some odd reason, if you point out the very specific player failures in this game, you're now somehow pro-Cam and think he's the greatest thing since the frozen pizza.
    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    He was constantly throwing off his back foot and thus putting too much air under his throws. He was doing this even when he wasn't pressured. Had he used good mechanics and stepped into his throws, those would have been much better throws and not under throws.
    I have noticed the past few weeks he has been doing that a lot lately.

    Not sure why, but you'd think they would be addressing that during the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I have noticed the past few weeks he has been doing that a lot lately.

    Not sure why, but you'd think they would be addressing that during the week.
    Probably a habit from Matt Birk getting steam rolled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I have noticed the past few weeks he has been doing that a lot lately.

    Not sure why, but you'd think they would be addressing that during the week.
    Joe had a lot of problems in 2010 with throwing off his back foot as well, not so much last year. In week 2 of 2010 where Joe threw 4 INTs, he was literally throwing every single pass off his back foot, not stepping into his throws.

    I hate to descend into a psuedo-sports-psychology debate, but Joe is a passer who needs to be comfortable. Some of the mouth-breathers who hear me say that will throw down their can of Four Loco and scream that means he has no balls, but whatever, it's true--Joe and a lot of other QBs (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc.) play badly when they don't feel comfortable in the pocket.

    Flacco needs to get a few completions to heat up, and when he's sensing pressure and losing confidence in his WRs he starts airmailing balls hoping for PIs, overthrowing the long ball to avoid INTs, etc. If that's the kind of QB he is, fine, so be it--you have to scheme to GET him comfortable and THEN start asking him to make the big throws.

    We KNOW Flacco feels more confident out of the no-huddle. We could have gone into the no-huddle coming out of the 2nd half after Pittsburgh scored 10 consecutive points to tie it up, let Flacco get hot and see if he can take the game over. Instead, we didn't run a single no-huddle play (only ONE the entire game.)




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Joe had a lot of problems in 2010 with throwing off his back foot as well, not so much last year. In week 2 of 2010 where Joe threw 4 INTs, he was literally throwing every single pass off his back foot, not stepping into his throws.

    I hate to descend into a psuedo-sports-psychology debate, but Joe is a passer who needs to be comfortable. Some of the mouth-breathers who hear me say that will throw down their can of Four Loco and scream that means he has no balls, but whatever, it's true--Joe and a lot of other QBs (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc.) play badly when they don't feel comfortable in the pocket.

    Flacco needs to get a few completions to heat up, and when he's sensing pressure and losing confidence in his WRs he starts airmailing balls hoping for PIs, overthrowing the long ball to avoid INTs, etc. If that's the kind of QB he is, fine, so be it--you have to scheme to GET him comfortable and THEN start asking him to make the big throws.

    We KNOW Flacco feels more confident out of the no-huddle. We could have gone into the no-huddle coming out of the 2nd half after Pittsburgh scored 10 consecutive points to tie it up, let Flacco get hot and see if he can take the game over. Instead, we didn't run a single no-huddle play (only ONE the entire game.)
    I agree with this post 100%. Joe seems to be a rhythm QB. The same could be said for any QB really. Cam does Joe no favors in the way he calls plays. Why can't Cam dial up some easy completions then work in some deep shots?




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Joe had a lot of problems in 2010 with throwing off his back foot as well, not so much last year. In week 2 of 2010 where Joe threw 4 INTs, he was literally throwing every single pass off his back foot, not stepping into his throws.

    I hate to descend into a psuedo-sports-psychology debate, but Joe is a passer who needs to be comfortable. Some of the mouth-breathers who hear me say that will throw down their can of Four Loco and scream that means he has no balls, but whatever, it's true--Joe and a lot of other QBs (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc.) play badly when they don't feel comfortable in the pocket.

    Flacco needs to get a few completions to heat up, and when he's sensing pressure and losing confidence in his WRs he starts airmailing balls hoping for PIs, overthrowing the long ball to avoid INTs, etc. If that's the kind of QB he is, fine, so be it--you have to scheme to GET him comfortable and THEN start asking him to make the big throws.

    We KNOW Flacco feels more confident out of the no-huddle. We could have gone into the no-huddle coming out of the 2nd half after Pittsburgh scored 10 consecutive points to tie it up, let Flacco get hot and see if he can take the game over. Instead, we didn't run a single no-huddle play (only ONE the entire game.)
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    Alot of interesting comments and points on this thread.

    Guess I'll add my .02.

    All this talk about the short comings of Flaccos ability to make certain throws, holding the ball too long, not being able to read defenses and find the open man, no pocket presence, no mobility, etc., etc. etc.
    We've all seen it on various threads every week over the past 5 years.

    All this talk about Cams offense being outdated, not enough routes and route combinations, receivers unable to get separation, no throws over the middle, no seam routes, no crossing routes or misdirection, curl or come back routes, etc. etc., etc.

    Nothing but 9 and fly routes outside the hash marks with the occasional check down to Rice, etc.

    Watch This

    And

    Watch This

    Somehow I doubt very seriously that Joe Flacco just forgot how to do alot of the stuff you just saw in those videos.

    Now watch THIS

    All of the sudden Dennis Pitta forgot how to get open and play Tight End?

    Let's look at Torrey Smith

    Dude can only run 9 and fly routes, right?

    Who's This Dude?

    Dude looks like he has a few skills, knows how to find the soft spots in coverage, isn't afraid to go in the middle and has pretty damn good speed?

    Certainly isn't the biggest guy to play wideout, but there's more then a few smaller guys playing wideout in the NFL that are huge play makers for their team that actually have coaches willing to utilize they're abilitys to have a productive offense and win games.


    I could go on and continue to debate as to whether or not Flaccos short comings are the problem, or whether or not we don't have enough offensive talent to be more less predictable, or whether the offensive line completely blows, etc.

    You ask me, this ain't freakin' rocket science!!!

    As mentioned earlier in this and many threads, there is a history and track record with Cam Cameron, the QBS and offensive talent he has had to work with, and the success that many of those players have had once Cam moved on.

    Certainly we have some success in spurts depending on who we're playing and what that opposing teams talent level is, and occasionally get lucky with a huge play here and there to capture the win, but is this acceptable?

    Sorry, but I've seen too many football games in my life being played by teams with much less talent then ours across the board (QBs, WRs, O-line, etc.) look like jaugernauts (sp?) compared to what we look like more often then not.

    Regardless of who we have on the field, and who we add or subtract, the shit looks the same week in and week out, year in and year out.

    Ain't no secret here fellas, it's out there somewhere....that stat that says when Ray Rice touches or carrys the ball more then 25 times a game, we win somewhere just short of 100% of the time.

    How many times do we have to see close games being played where the offense doesn't need to be one dimensional forcing us to try and play catch up by abandoning the run, only to do just that?

    Flat out, no doubt in my mind what so ever..... we will never progress offensively to a consistent unpredictable offense that will win you any Championships with Cam Cameron running this offense.

    By the grace of God we may get lucky and pull a fluke from time to time, but is that what we want this team to hang its hat on?

    FUCK THAT!!!

    We will never have the answer to Flaccos and this units talent short comings (if they're actually there to begin with) until a change is made in how these guys are used and coached.

    Not sure who to replace him with, but somebody somewhere is out there every year.

    Cam needs to go at the end of this year!!

    And if Harbaugh can't man up and do it, or is too stupid or stubborn to see it or do it, then his ass can go too!!!


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    even the ladys can appreciate that post
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    The Fan Man deserves a cookie. Great post!




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fanatic View Post

    And if Harbaugh can't man up and do it, or is too stupid or stubborn to see it or do it, then his ass can go too!!!

    Jump on my train. This is all coaching. Never has so little been done with so much talent.




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