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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Really good points....I will touch on this last one. Personally, I am not convinced that Flacco can be that quick read/react QB. I don't think Harbaugh and Cameron are convinced either. Maybe with good reason.

    I do think the Ravens need to find out before they pay Flacco his big payday. And while I am somewhat hopeful that the next few months will tell us a lot about what kind of QB Flacco is or isn't. I think they really need to see what another OC could do (most likely Caldwell) next season.
    It is possible, but he's done it before. In particular, the Bengals game this year and the Patriots game in the AFCCG last year.

    The way I see it is that Flacco's best throws are come backs and out patterns. Back shoulder throws are REALLY difficult to get right, so I'm not surprised that he isn't there with those yet, BUT he has shown that he can run those as well.

    Again though, it's all for not because we don't have a clue how he'd operate in a modern offense.

    I'd love to see Flacco in an offense like the Saints run or even like the Texans run because I think he could function in that type of an offense.
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    Agree with RiW and I'd add that Cam does not run a true Coryell offense, because of the reasons he mentions.

    I truly believe that with the talent we have, combined with an OC like Norv, this would be an explosive offense. Alas, we have a patch work set of plays that's being called a system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Really good points....I will touch on this last one. Personally, I am not convinced that Flacco can be that quick read/react QB. I don't think Harbaugh and Cameron are convinced either. Maybe with good reason.

    I do think the Ravens need to find out before they pay Flacco his big payday. And while I am somewhat hopeful that the next few months will tell us a lot about what kind of QB Flacco is or isn't. I think they really need to see what another OC could do (most likely Caldwell) next season.
    Interesting enough, Flacco's first few years in the league the opinion was that he'd be better off in an offense that forced him to get the ball as soon as possible instead making him drop back and read defenses (which is what he seemed to struggle at).




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    Joe's passer rating outside the numbers: 65.1

    Joe's passer rating inside the numbers: 105.2

    I checked 5 other QBs and NOBODY has a disparity as stark as that. Some have higher ratings throwing to the right than to the left, etc. but NOBODY is a 40 point split like that. (Just an FYI, for Joe there's no other significant disparity based on part of the field--it's the same left vs. right on all counts.)

    220 throws outside the numbers, 206 inside the numbers. None of the QBs I checked had thrown over 50% outside the numbers, either.

    I love looking at statistical splits. They shed a LOT of light onto the nuances of what's really going on. How much more often does it need to be said that Cam Cameron's passing offense is completely out of whack?
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    On another note to add to Raveninwoodland post (great post btw), the speed of the game is ridiculous these days, guys back in the 60's 70's and 80's are no where near as fast as guys are now, this croyell just doesn't do well with the speed of the game. You have corners covering a lot of ground and Linemen and Lbs running 40's in the 4's those long ass routes don't have time to develop.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Joe's passer rating outside the numbers: 65.1

    Joe's passer rating inside the numbers: 105.2

    I checked 5 other QBs and NOBODY has a disparity as stark as that. Some have higher ratings throwing to the right than to the left, etc. but NOBODY is a 40 point split like that. (Just an FYI, for Joe there's no other significant disparity based on part of the field--it's the same left vs. right on all counts.)

    220 throws outside the numbers, 206 inside the numbers. None of the QBs I checked had thrown over 50% outside the numbers, either.

    I love looking at statistical splits. They shed a LOT of light onto the nuances of what's really going on. How much more often does it need to be said that Cam Cameron's passing offense is completely out of whack?
    That is a really interesting stat.
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    didn't the FO hire some kinda mathematician stat guru? You would think he would be in Ozzie face with these numbers? we got guys on here pulling numbers left and right to support cam is a moron. What the hell they hire the guy for? to warm the coffee pot?
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    I think Flacco has the skill to be a very good QB, but just like we keep saying with Cam "shoving a square peg into a round hole" Flacco can't complete passes when WR's are not getting open or seperation. He does not like to force the ball. Watch some tape on Flacco and then come back and discuss his skill level. His inabilities fall into the hands of a horrible scheme and ancient system. Like at the facts. Audibles are over ratted, WR's run their assigned route and do not deviat (watch Boldin in AZ, how was he so effective, he ran to the open areas of the field and made DB's pay when he got going) It is frustrating to us on the couch, how do you think he fells when asked to do the same thing over and over and over again. Fanatic posted some great videos of Flacco in college.
    Flacco has some bad games it happens, but the inability to try every thing in the arsenal or go to the running game in those situations is just another major flaw that Cam has.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    didn't the FO higher some kinda mathematician stat guru? You would think he would be in Ozzie face with these numbers? we got guys on here pulling numbers left and right to support cam is a moron. What the hell they hire the guy for? to warm the coffee pot?
    Must have been Harbs buddy




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    Let me also say this...I am 110% convinced that Caldwell is NOT the answer as the OC here.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sua Sponte View Post
    I think Flacco has the skill to be a very good QB, but just like we keep saying with Cam "shoving a square peg into a round hole" Flacco can't complete passes when WR's are not getting open or seperation. He does not like to force the ball. Watch some tape on Flacco and then come back and discuss his skill level. His inabilities fall into the hands of a horrible scheme and ancient system. Like at the facts. Audibles are over ratted, WR's run their assigned route and do not deviat (watch Boldin in AZ, how was he so effective, he ran to the open areas of the field and made DB's pay when he got going) It is frustrating to us on the couch, how do you think he fells when asked to do the same thing over and over and over again. Fanatic posted some great videos of Flacco in college.
    Flacco has some bad games it happens, but the inability to try every thing in the arsenal or go to the running game in those situations is just another major flaw that Cam has.
    You can attribute that to almost EVERY quarterback that has ever played the position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Joe's passer rating outside the numbers: 65.1

    Joe's passer rating inside the numbers: 105.2

    I checked 5 other QBs and NOBODY has a disparity as stark as that. Some have higher ratings throwing to the right than to the left, etc. but NOBODY is a 40 point split like that. (Just an FYI, for Joe there's no other significant disparity based on part of the field--it's the same left vs. right on all counts.)

    220 throws outside the numbers, 206 inside the numbers. None of the QBs I checked had thrown over 50% outside the numbers, either.

    I love looking at statistical splits. They shed a LOT of light onto the nuances of what's really going on. How much more often does it need to be said that Cam Cameron's passing offense is completely out of whack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Joe's passer rating outside the numbers: 65.1

    Joe's passer rating inside the numbers: 105.2

    I checked 5 other QBs and NOBODY has a disparity as stark as that. Some have higher ratings throwing to the right than to the left, etc. but NOBODY is a 40 point split like that. (Just an FYI, for Joe there's no other significant disparity based on part of the field--it's the same left vs. right on all counts.)

    220 throws outside the numbers, 206 inside the numbers. None of the QBs I checked had thrown over 50% outside the numbers, either.

    I love looking at statistical splits. They shed a LOT of light onto the nuances of what's really going on. How much more often does it need to be said that Cam Cameron's passing offense is completely out of whack?
    Out of curiosity, do you have the numbers in such a way to plot year over year? It'd be very interesting to see the trends - number of attempts, completion percentage etc... year over year.




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    are a lot of those 'inside the numbers' passes just dump offs? that may be a big part of it because they don't run many crossing routes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    are a lot of those 'inside the numbers' passes just dump offs? that may be a big part of it because they don't run many crossing routes
    Also an interesting perspective.
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