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12-02-2012, 01:00 AM #61
Re: Football and Faith
What a long, rambling diatribe that in no way countered my argument.
You have said, more than once, that Harbaugh put pressure on people who don't believe what he does. You have no proof of this, nor that faith isn't a BIG PART OF the Ravens. You are attacking a man who has never done anything to you simply because his opinion is different than yours. You are a hypocrite of the highest order, one that doesn't even realize how hypocritical they're being.
And I love the multiple quotes you've used your pointlessly meanderings. You went from Ward, to the Constitution, to the Bible, and then wrapped it up quite nicely with Ghandi. You are simply a left winger who loves to find random quotes that seemingly fit whatever argument you're currently having and throwing them about in an attempt to disguise the fact you have no clue what to say. Try having an original thought in your head. You'll find you're much more open to the ideas of others.
One final point before I let you scour the internet for some more brilliant remarks from folks who ain't you. Yeah the Bible says not to pray like a hypocrite, but it also says that faith is something to be rejoiced.Last edited by darb72; 12-02-2012 at 07:10 AM. Reason: Because prove isn't the same as proof
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Re: Football and Faith
Great post DARB.
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12-03-2012, 01:13 AM #64Hyperbolic curmudgeometer
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Re: Football and Faith
Not appealing to anything. I'm operating under the assumption that Harbaugh never (well, hardly ever) does or says anything in his capacity as Ravens head coach without a reason. Much of my problem with what he said is that I can't fathom what his reason might be for saying it publicly, in his role as the face of the team (or organization). Ramping up pressure on the players to conform--by implying that if you're not doing Bible study & chapel, you're not contributing to that "big part" of the team--is one possibility that occurred to me. There have been numerous instances when someone in an organization has "gone public" with a statement or position precisely to ensure that the organization can't pretend it never said or adopted it.
The other thing that bothers me is that he prefaced his statement with "I know a lot of people don't like hearing this, but..." Was he trying to soften the statement? Didn't sound that way to me; it sounded defiant & dismissive ("This is a big part of who we are as a team whether you like it or not...")--& again I wonder, why would he say something like that? What's his purpose? No one would have had a problem with their internal practices--& no one would have had any reason to think there was any pressure for the players to conform to them--until Harbaugh chose to publicly identify them as "a big part of who we are as a team." No one forced him to open that door to speculation, but he did.
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12-03-2012, 01:42 AM #65
Re: Football and Faith
:grbac:
Ladies and gentlemen, the blind who will not see.
:grbac:"A moron, a rapist, and a Pittsburgh Steeler walk into a bar. He sits down and says, “Hi I’m Ben may I have a drink please?”
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01-22-2013, 07:45 PM #66Rookie Poster
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First and foremost I want to say I am a fellow Baltimore Ravens fan, but also a believer in Jesus. So I know we are looking at this topic from different perspectives and my life has changed so much since I put my faith in Jesus that it is literally impossible for me to see this from the perspective of the non-believer. In my perspective, what you are unable to see, is that a man’s true character when he is by himself is defined by his faith; it is the most precious thing he has. Nobody lives their lives in complete control of their circumstances; we all have to put our trust in something, or someone.
Especially given the continuously changing circumstances and high pressures and temptations NFL players and coaches live under. The fact of life over all times, places, and people is that putting faith in God brings unity, love, encouragement, hope, openness, and selflessness (bottom line all positive things), but putting faith in things of the world brings separation, worrying, animosity, discouragement, disappointment, misunderstanding, and selfishness. Also as a believer, and what the non-believer can’t understand, is that I cannot in good conscience only give credit and praise for accomplishments to myself or others knowing God is responsible for everything I am and have, remembering where He has brought me from, and the new life He has given me filled with His peace, strength, comfort, and encouragement.
Also I don’t understand why you would think that Ravens believers coming together in prayer and sharing their faith is forcing the non-believers into believing against their will. God loves us so much that He has given us power to choose. Yes, we can reject His grace. We can refuse His offer of salvation by ignoring the faith and testimony of believers, and choosing to live for ourselves after the desires and pleasures of our sinful hearts. I do understand why you would say it is uncomfortable for non-believers, though.
This is because God is the light of the world, but we in our sinful nature love the darkness. We are afraid of coming into the light for fear of our sinful hearts being exposed. However, those who live by the truth come into the light and their lives are open before God. But with faith aside, although I hope you will choose life, Go Ravens.
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01-22-2013, 09:30 PM #67SuggsKill Guest
Re: Football and Faith
http://www.rubmaps.com is my God.
All jokes aside. I want to start reading the Bible to get some more information about marriage. Where should I start?
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