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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco



    Quote Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool View Post
    I went back and watched the All 22 last night.

    On the strip sack there was no one open. Flacco held the ball for three seconds and was about to take off or just take a sack when he got hit.

    The Steelers D was in 2 man under with a 3 man rush, which means safeties deep covering each half and 6 players in man coverage underneath. Oher was beaten cleanly by Harrison.

    Flacco was throwing off his back foot all night. There was at least 6 or 7 plays that were designed to be sideline throws. The Steelers did not blitz at all on these early down throws which left their OLB's shooting underneath these routes. It was easy to see that Joe felt rushed to get the throw off. I thought Cam called a great play in the first quarter to Boldin on a post which Flacco just overthrew. He called it there and never came back to it.

    I'm a Joe supporter but he was just off on Sunday. His room for error was very small but he didn't play up to par. We actually ran the ball pretty well. I don't understand why we continued to throw the ball.

    One other thing... for Torrey Smith to become a great receiver he needs to improve his "Go Get It". "Go Get It" is when the ball is perfectly thrown and the receiver needs to time his jump and grab the ball at it's highest point. Torrey does not do this. If the ball is a bit under thrown or misplaced he just slows down or bends his route, he is always trying to catch the ball in stride. Sometimes you need to turn and jump and grab that ball.
    good post, I remember one play where we really needed to convert and he threw it short to Torrey on the sideline. If he'd just come back toward the ball he would've had it uncontested. But Joe did sail some balls last week. The pass D this weekend is much less stellar so I'm hoping he takes advantage.
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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    I noticed a few Steelers defenders coming low at Joe. He was spooked b/c of it. I think that's why he was throwing off his back foot and thus the ball sailing high. If he stepped into his throws like he should of, Joe might have gotten hurt ala Pollard/Brady. Still probably wouldnt have gotten a personal foul.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    A pass thrown too high on a sideline pattern falls harmlessly out of bounds. A pass thrown too high in the middle of the field has PICK ME written all over it. Y'think there maybe might be a reason Cam doesn't call routes over the middle?
    Yet his stats over the middle are far better than they are outside the hashmarks. So that doesn't hold water.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool View Post
    He does a better job on the fade routes but he never does that on the posts. He has almost allowed two interceptions against the Steelers on this route because he was waiting for the ball to come down while the DB jumped to get the ball at it's highest point.
    Torrey didn't almost allow 2 interceptions. They were horribly underthrown balls by Flacco. You can't expect your receiver to run full speed, stop, comeback to the ball, and locate it when he's running a post route.

    Torrey was beating his man all day. Joe just couldn't get the ball to him.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by TTRaven View Post
    Torrey didn't almost allow 2 interceptions. They were horribly underthrown balls by Flacco. You can't expect your receiver to run full speed, stop, comeback to the ball, and locate it when he's running a post route.

    Torrey was beating his man all day. Joe just couldn't get the ball to him.
    Except for when Joe threw a pass that hit him in the hands in the end zone and he dropped it.
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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Except for when Joe threw a pass that hit him in the hands in the end zone and he dropped it.
    Or when Joe throws a good ball and Torrey stops his route cold and just turns around.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Yet his stats over the middle are far better than they are outside the hashmarks. So that doesn't hold water.
    Au contraire, mon frere. My point had to do with pure physics & geometry--"stats" have nothing to do with it. Tipped passes in the middle get picked more often no matter who the QB is, because they're still in the field of play. Add to that the fact that Ravens receivers rarely get separation, so there's always at least one defender in the vicinity....

    Anyone beside me remember the game here vs Indy some years back when the Ravens were driving late for what looked like the sure tying or winning score & Joe chucked one into the middle right into the arms of a Colts LB? Yeah, yeah, I know, anecdotal evidence, but a pretty fair example of what can go horribly wrong.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Except for when Joe threw a pass that hit him in the hands in the end zone and he dropped it.
    Ok so 1 dropped pass by Torrey. There was no excuse for dropping that pass. That doesn't excuse the other horribly inaccurate passes by Flacco though.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    Au contraire, mon frere. My point had to do with pure physics & geometry--"stats" have nothing to do with it. Tipped passes in the middle get picked more often no matter who the QB is, because they're still in the field of play. Add to that the fact that Ravens receivers rarely get separation, so there's always at least one defender in the vicinity....

    Anyone beside me remember the game here vs Indy some years back when the Ravens were driving late for what looked like the sure tying or winning score & Joe chucked one into the middle right into the arms of a Colts LB? Yeah, yeah, I know, anecdotal evidence, but a pretty fair example of what can go horribly wrong.
    I understand that. But ALL QB's throw picks over the middle of the field. Every single one. Including the great ones. But that should not be a reason for an OC or HC to be afraid to take that chance. Using the stats was just my way of fortifying my argument.

    Quarterbacks throw interceptions. Joe Flacco will throw interceptions before the end of the year. I guarantee it. So will 31 other QB's in the league.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by TTRaven View Post
    Ok so 1 dropped pass by Torrey. There was no excuse for dropping that pass. That doesn't excuse the other horribly inaccurate passes by Flacco though.
    I'm not saying it does, but everyone is so quick to point out all of the throws that didn't work and hardly ever talk about the fact that Flacco does throw some really nice passes out there that just get flat out dropped.

    3 years now this offense has had some major issues with dropped passes. THREE DAMN YEARS.

    I can understand a drop here and there, but man...this offense goes through droughts of drops and there have been drops that have ended games or severely impacted games for us.
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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quarterbacks throw picks all over the field. On outside routes, the ball travels longer in the air to get the same distance downfield, giving the defense a better chance to undercut the receiver and intercept. Flacco is better at these throws than quite a few other quarterbacks because of how strong his arm is.

    There's no perfect route. We don't attack the middle of the field enough, and that's why LeBeau and now everyone else feels secure in sending the safeties down to undercut the out routes. The Ravens need to attack the middle more to keep the safeties honest, and run more out-and-ups when the safeties want to cheat down. Granted, for the latter to work the o-line needs to keep Flacco standing up.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    There is no perfect route, but there are combinations of routes that provide a higher probability of getting one or more players open.

    Receivers are some of the best athletes in the league. Why the Ravens aren't interested in getting them the ball in open space to allow their athleticism to take over while they pick up YAC is beyond me.

    Torrey Smith runs a few crossing/drag routes against San Diego...takes the first one 54 yards...wow. Imagine that? One of the fastest guys in the league getting a pass in stride, in space, and taking it an extra 50 yards.
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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I can understand a drop here and there, but man...this offense goes through droughts of drops and there have been drops that have ended games or severely impacted games for us.
    Yeah. There are drops and then there are drops. Just like some INT's are worse than others. A deep bomb on 3rd down from your own 40 that gets picked off on the opponent's 20 and the DB gets dropped short of the 25 isn't bad. Throwing a pick in the red zone is.

    Boldin has dropped some critical passes lately, and he's not the only one. Doss dropped a catchable ball against Pitt that would have been a first down, IIRC. Jones and Smith both had drops on critical plays. Part of it I blame on the playcalling: we're not seeing the offense develop a rhythm. We're either seeing out routes, curls, or 9's down the sideline. Rarely are we seeing short crossing routes, slants, or posts into the holes in the defense. Either no one ever plays zone against the Ravens, or the Ravens just suck at finding the gaps in zones that every other team in the NFL seems to manage to find.




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    Re: I'm losing my faith in Joe Flacco

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    There is no perfect route, but there are combinations of routes that provide a higher probability of getting one or more players open.

    Receivers are some of the best athletes in the league. Why the Ravens aren't interested in getting them the ball in open space to allow their athleticism to take over while they pick up YAC is beyond me.

    Torrey Smith runs a few crossing/drag routes against San Diego...takes the first one 54 yards...wow. Imagine that? One of the fastest guys in the league getting a pass in stride, in space, and taking it an extra 50 yards.
    We're in agreement. It's like Cavanaugh is back. "That worked great! So we can NEVER do it again!" Or maybe it's the Curse of Marchibroda, since he seemed to like to outthink himself. "If a play worked, then the defense is expecting it! So I can't do it, because they're expecting it!"




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Torrey Smith runs a few crossing/drag routes against San Diego...takes the first one 54 yards...wow. Imagine that? One of the fastest guys in the league getting a pass in stride, in space, and taking it an extra 50 yards.
    Clicked over to NFLN last night and saw the IND/DET recast.

    1st snap I saw, IND's OL (how many pro bowlers do they have?) picked up an overload blitz and Luck threw a 15 deep slant to YA Hilton (a rookie I really wanted here) who got 45 YAC out of it.
    Two plays later...a quick slant went to Avery (pretty sure he's no pro bowler) for the score.

    So frustrating....
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