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    That's what happens when your coaches design an offense specifically for your strengths. It allows you to be comfortable.

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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    I don't know if you guys are watching Eli, but he already threw what should have been a terrible pick, had 2 overthrows and an underthrow on a deep ball, and took a bad delay of game penalty.

    I guess the Giants will be benching him and signing Alex Smith this offseason, huh?




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Winning two SBs buys an awful lot of credibility and a very long leash...




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by redmike34 View Post
    Winning two SBs buys an awful lot of credibility and a very long leash...
    Yeah, I'm just kidding. Eli's fine.

    But, interestingly enough, he was definitely NOT fine his first 5 years in the league. He only broke an 80 QBR once, despite a ton of offensive talent around him, and cost his team a ton of games each year.

    The Flacco comparisons have already been made quite a bit, so I won't make them again, it's just a reminder to not give up on a guy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    That's what happens when your coaches design an offense specifically for your strengths. It allows you to be comfortable.
    That's the correct answer.

    I'd only add that game planning and play calling helps too. WAS kept NYG's front 7 off balance most of the evening.
    How many carries did young Alfred have btw?

    edit: He was 22 for 124 @ 5.6 per
    We might need 32 carries between our RBs.
    Last edited by BigPlayReceiver; 12-04-2012 at 12:01 PM.




  6. #216

    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    32 starting QB's in the NFL

    Flacco is 13th in yards/game
    Flacco is 20th in QB rating
    Flacco is 24th in completion %
    Flacco is 19th in TD's




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by webbrick2007 View Post
    32 starting QB's in the NFL

    Flacco is 13th in yards/game
    Flacco is 20th in QB rating
    Flacco is 24th in completion %
    Flacco is 19th in TD's
    What is he in wins? That seems to be basis for the money he's looking for. Funny how a QB thinks he should be paid big money for team wins.
    He Who Dares.....Wins




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    What is he in wins? That seems to be basis for the money he's looking for. Funny how a QB thinks he should be paid big money for team wins.
    Given the offenses that the Ravens will face in the next 4 weeks, I cannot see (expect) the defense to win many games from here on out. So if the Ravens win, the "team win" will be largely the responsibility of the offense, which in-turn will be largely the responsibility of Flacco.

    He's got a great opportunity in front of him to earn his keep. Last Sunday's game was not a good start (and he can ill afford any more performances like that in the next 4 weeks).




  9. #219

    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Yeah, I'm just kidding. Eli's fine.

    But, interestingly enough, he was definitely NOT fine his first 5 years in the league. He only broke an 80 QBR once, despite a ton of offensive talent around him, and cost his team a ton of games each year.

    The Flacco comparisons have already been made quite a bit, so I won't make them again, it's just a reminder to not give up on a guy.
    Want to see something even crazier, look at Tom Brady's stats his first 5 years in the league and compare them to Flacco's. they are VERY close. It's no coincidence that those were the seasons the patriots actually WON a Super Bowl and it was when they had a dominating defense/run game to go along with "decent" QB numbers. Brady then took off after that, they became pass happy and the Offense became the focus at the Defense's expense. Pats haven't won an SB since and have twice lost to the guy (Eli) with not-as-good numbers but better D. Arguably, an easily dropped pass and 2 separate beastly plays by Polamalu (pick, sack fumble) have been pretty much what has kept the Ravens from 3 SBs in the same amount of time.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by kojo View Post
    Want to see something even crazier, look at Tom Brady's stats his first 5 years in the league and compare them to Flacco's. they are VERY close. It's no coincidence that those were the seasons the patriots actually WON a Super Bowl and it was when they had a dominating defense/run game to go along with "decent" QB numbers. Brady then took off after that, they became pass happy and the Offense became the focus at the Defense's expense. Pats haven't won an SB since and have twice lost to the guy (Eli) with not-as-good numbers but better D. Arguably, an easily dropped pass and 2 separate beastly plays by Polamalu (pick, sack fumble) have been pretty much what has kept the Ravens from 3 SBs in the same amount of time.
    Those numbers are not actually that close when you adjust for the league-wide explosion in passing. It is better to compare rankings among peers, and Brady was a top 10 QB in about every category for all those years. He led the league in TDs with 28 in 2002, for example.

    But I can't argue with the QB-alone-doesn't-win-SB argument. That is true.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Those numbers are not actually that close when you adjust for the league-wide explosion in passing. It is better to compare rankings among peers, and Brady was a top 10 QB in about every category for all those years. He led the league in TDs with 28 in 2002, for example.

    But I can't argue with the QB-alone-doesn't-win-SB argument. That is true.
    Yea but what offense in today's NFL throws as many 9 routes as the Ravens do. I will never compare Joe to his peers b/c his peers arent in a 1970/80s offensive system. Maybe Rivers is the only other peer, and how is he doing?




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by webbrick2007 View Post
    32 starting QB's in the NFL

    Flacco is 13th in yards/game
    Flacco is 20th in QB rating
    Flacco is 24th in completion %
    Flacco is 19th in TD's
    It's not all on Joe, man.
    Poor deep ball accuracy, poor WR separation, ineffective and inconsistent scheme/playcalling, Ray and Pierce's limited touches, and drops are major factors here.
    Joe has the greatest impact on deep ball accuracy, of course, but deep ball accuracy itself has many attributes that Joe cannot affect.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Yeah, I'm just kidding. Eli's fine.

    But, interestingly enough, he was definitely NOT fine his first 5 years in the league. He only broke an 80 QBR once, despite a ton of offensive talent around him, and cost his team a ton of games each year.

    The Flacco comparisons have already been made quite a bit, so I won't make them again, it's just a reminder to not give up on a guy.
    Despite MAJOR off-season drama surrounding the team...and I mean MAAAAJOR drama, Eli won his first SB in 2008 (the 2007 season). Interestingly enough, part of that drama was a new OC: Kevin Gilbride...promoted from his QB coach position.

    Oh, and when Gilbride wasn't winning SBs, he happened to produce dual 1,000 yard rushers in the same season (2008) ...looking at you Ray and Bernard.

    I'm not lobbying for Gilbride here. Nor am I lobbying for Caldwell.
    I'm pointing out what change can do for ya, and folks should NOT give up on Joe until after Cammie is removed from the equation.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Despite MAJOR off-season drama surrounding the team...and I mean MAAAAJOR drama, Eli won his first SB in 2008 (the 2007 season). Interestingly enough, part of that drama was a new OC: Kevin Gilbride...promoted from his QB coach position.

    Oh, and when Gilbride wasn't winning SBs, he happened to produce dual 1,000 yard rushers in the same season (2008) ...looking at you Ray and Bernard.

    I'm not lobbying for Gilbride here. Nor am I lobbying for Caldwell.
    I'm pointing out what change can do for ya, and folks should NOT give up on Joe until after Cammie is removed from the equation.
    Just a fresh perspective (a real one) can do wonders.
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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenray View Post
    how is that a rookie QB is already more composed than a 5 year vet.
    I don't think he's more composed. I think the offensive scheme and the playcalling help him get into the rhythm of the game and get comfortable more than ours does for Flacco.

    I kept hearing the MNF commentators marvel at how wide open the Redskins' receivers were. The Giants made a lot of catches with quite a bit of turf around them, too. We don't hear that when the Ravens are on offense.

    Batch was hit 6 times to Flacco's eleven. He had six or seven plays with a receiver running wide open in the middle of the field. I can't think of a single play except for the PI against Boldin where a Ravens receiver didn't have a defender right on him. It's not just ability: it's the scheme not putting the players in a position to succeed.

    We also, inexplicably, abandoned the run late in the third and the fourth quarter. I know: we only like 7 plays in the 4th. Part of that is on the defense for not stopping Pittsburgh. Part of that is on Cameron/Flacco/ the offense for not getting first downs. IIRC, we ran it one time on those seven plays, for a loss. Rice ran it 12 times for 78 yards. He didn't have any 30+ runs: he was getting good, positive yardage on most of those runs. Pierce ran the ball effectively. Yet, nonetheless, we had Flacco dropping back, no play-action, and trying to hit covered receivers while his o-line crumbled around him.

    He does need to run more. I suspect, though I don't know, that Harbaugh and the coaching staff discourage this. He certainly doesn't seem to look for opportunities to run like he did his rookie season. I think he also has a lot of confidence in his ability to get the ball downfield, so his preference is to hold the ball and give the receivers a chance to get position (forget getting open).

    His deep ball doesn't have the touch you'd like to see. He consistently seems to throw the ball short when Smith or Jones get behind a defender, whether that's in the middle of the field or down the sideline. It's as if he doesn't have an understanding of their speed and underestimates where to put the ball. I know it's not a lack of arm strength: I've seen him overthrow those same routes by a good margin.

    Boldin's drops have become a very troubling development, and I'm probably his biggest fan on this board (if not in Raven country). I was ecstatic when Newsome brought him here, and my standing advice to Flacco is "throw it to Boldin." Well, he's been doing that and Boldin hasn't been producing. He's gotten beat by single coverage defenders more than he used to. Yes, Allen and (I forget who) both made good plays on the ball around Boldin, but that's been his specialty his whole career: out-muscling defenders for the football.

    It didn't help the refs had a quick whistle on the "in the grasp" play, and also an inconsistent one. Batch was "in the grasp" on the incomplete Harbaugh challenged (inexplicably, imo, or at least bad advice) for at least as long. That didn't cost us the game: if you leave it on the refs, you didn't deserve to win. But it does make it frustrating and therefore harder for a QB or any player to produce when you make a play- which Flacco did- and a bad call takes it away from you.

    It's said all the time here: we need more slants and quick routes. If the DB's are playing back, we should hit WR bubble screens and quick hitches more than we do instead of constantly trying to outplay the defense down the field. During Flacco's first two seasons, and perhaps the first three, the mantra was to "take what the defense gives you." Unfortunately, we didn't have a receiving corps that presented many threats for the defense to try and take away. Now, Cameron's mantra seems to be to force the defense to make a play, and that gives small windows for Flacco to throw into and forces our receivers to make great plays over and over as well.

    In sum, Flacco isn't playing great, but he's not being set up for success by how he's being used and the play around him, either.




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