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    Re: What is Joe worth?



    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Remember you started this with a post implying people are being unreasonable ("but COME ON, people. Seriously") and predictable in criticizing Flacco. I responded to say that it isn't unreasonable and the excuse-making is as predictable. My points still stand. They weren't very enlightening points, admittedly, but they were perfectly appropriate considering what they were addressing.
    About 80 % of this board make excuses up for Flacco ever day, then claim that everyone is against him after a loss after blaming every single person around Flacco, and want to believe "what could be" if we had another OC. I think a lot of that may be true, he would most likely look a lot better in a Sean Payton lead offense, but just how good may never be revealed, but I doubt he'd be as good as someone like Drew Brees as I'm sure a lot of people around here would like to believe.

    Either way, Flacco may be the biggest mystery in the NFL right now.




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    flacco need to get his shit together too but his caoches aint doing a damn thing to help him, right now harbaugh need to pull his fuck head out of his ass and put Mckinney back at LT, Oher back to RT, KO at gaurd, honeslty they need to bench birks ass too because he's laying on his fucking back every play. Since Cam aint going no where soon atleast give this Offense a fighting chance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Torrey Smith was open at least 4 times downfield. One he dropped, three or more he had to turn into a DB to save Flacco an INT. He also was open when Flacco sailed one over his head allowing the defender to undercut his legs and make him land on his shoulder (one of several back foot floaters in the game).
    One downfield pass was a PI call.

    And the one that sailed over Torrey's head happened because Torrey stopped his route cold and turned around to look for the ball. And he was double covered and not wide open. none of us were sure why Torrey stopped like that, but if he kept running he would have had a play on the ball.

    Sorry to correct on a couple of these, but they happened on our side of the field where my seats are.



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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I just can't help but comment on how after ANY loss, ANY loss, much less an ugly WIN, you can REST ASSURED there will be a Flacco thread, it will have dozens and dozens of posts, and a lot of them will be about how excited a lot of fans are to see Flacco screw up.

    The defense gives up just shy of 300 yards to Charlie freaking Batch, including 10 unanswered points sandwiched around halftime, 2 for 2 TDs in the red zone, and a 6 minute drive to ice the game. They LITERALLY DON'T COVER ANYBODY in the middle of the field. Yet no thread.

    Something like 7 dropped passes altogether from the other skill position players... nobody open downfield literally the WHOLE GAME... and yet no thread.

    I understand he's the QB and his mistakes are magnified, but COME ON, people. Seriously.






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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Torrey Smith was open at least 4 times downfield. One he dropped, three or more he had to turn into a DB to save Flacco an INT. He also was open when Flacco sailed one over his head allowing the defender to undercut his legs and make him land on his shoulder (one of several back foot floaters in the game)..
    This is just wrong, absolutely wrong. The first pass was in Torrey's hands and he dropped it, Taylor was right on him and he was never wide open, the pass may have been slighty underthrown but it was very catachable. The second pass in question would actually be the one over his head on an out, that was a bad pass. The third was the underthrow to the endzone and was the only one where he had to play pass defender. The fourth one, if you watch the play, Smith looks at the defender covering him and then looks for the ball, even Simms thought he had lost the ball that fell to his right just out of reach. if he had been looking for the ball and not at the back, he likely would have adjusted and caught it. The fifth one he dropped in the endzone.

    That tells me that he is responsible for two drops and one mis read of the ball, he did not have to prevent 3 INTs as those balls were not close to being picked. Joe threw a few bad passes but please don't make stuff up just to suppoprt that he played badly. Some of you really need to get your eyes checked I think.




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    anyone see Jaw's segment on MNF pregame? He showed how Charlie Batch used his legs to extend plays over and over, giving the receivers time to get open. Flacco stood like a statue waiting for his receivers to get open.

    He's going to have to use his legs to extend plays or otherwise we'll get more of the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenMan View Post
    This is just wrong, absolutely wrong. The first pass was in Torrey's hands and he dropped it, Taylor was right on him and he was never wide open, the pass may have been slighty underthrown but it was very catachable. The second pass in question would actually be the one over his head on an out, that was a bad pass. The third was the underthrow to the endzone and was the only one where he had to play pass defender. The fourth one, if you watch the play, Smith looks at the defender covering him and then looks for the ball, even Simms thought he had lost the ball that fell to his right just out of reach. if he had been looking for the ball and not at the back, he likely would have adjusted and caught it. The fifth one he dropped in the endzone.

    That tells me that he is responsible for two drops and one mis read of the ball, he did not have to prevent 3 INTs as those balls were not close to being picked. Joe threw a few bad passes but please don't make stuff up just to suppoprt that he played badly. Some of you really need to get your eyes checked I think.

    The first pass, Smith had two full steps on Taylor and was angling toward the post. Flacco underthrew it a bit, but more importantly he threw it so that Smith had to straighten out his route instead of leading him away from Taylor. It allowed Taylor to close the distance and defend the play. Whether someone "could have caught" the ball has nothing to do with whether it was good throw. Taylor "could have caught" the ball for an INT as well, and likely would have if Smith didn't adjust. And there was simply no need for total accuracy as long as it was thrown to the middle of the field, Smith was ahead and could have run under it.

    The second pass was bad.

    I am not sure which was the interference call but that was also a dubious throw, though it didn't matter

    The fourth, I will need to watch the play, only saw it at the stadium live.

    The fifth was drop.

    No, that tells me he is responsible for one drop, where drop is defined as an error, not simply a failure to make a huge play.

    He had to prevent two, maybe three INTs or maybe I am lumping in a deep ball to Jones or Boldin to get to three, from memory. I will need to re-watch the game to check.

    When you throw a ball where the defender and the WR have equal chance of catching it then I consider an incomplete result a pass defense for the WR. There were several in this category.

    Joe threw more than a "few" bad passes, please don't make stuff up just to defend him; he threw more bad passes than good ones if you subtract the checkdowns. Yes, I often come to the same conclusion regarding people's eyesight. It is preconceived bias affecting the vision, I assume. Of course, I have no preconceived bias.
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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    anyone see Jaw's segment on MNF pregame? He showed how Charlie Batch used his legs to extend plays over and over, giving the receivers time to get open. Flacco stood like a statue waiting for his receivers to get open.

    He's going to have to use his legs to extend plays or otherwise we'll get more of the same
    Yeah, and I think he used to do this better earlier in his career. I am not even talking about running or rolling out, but sliding or stepping up in the pocket for the extra second. I think it may have to do with shell-shock. It definitely gets worse when the game is one where every third pass play is a quickly deteriorating pocket. It seems Joe starts to assume that will be the case on every play, which I suppose is natural, but it doesn't help on the plays where the pocket holds up for a little while before slowly collapsing (especially from the edges).




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    One downfield pass was a PI call.

    And the one that sailed over Torrey's head happened because Torrey stopped his route cold and turned around to look for the ball. And he was double covered and not wide open. none of us were sure why Torrey stopped like that, but if he kept running he would have had a play on the ball.

    Sorry to correct on a couple of these, but they happened on our side of the field where my seats are.



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    Are you talking about the play where the defender took Torrey's legs out from under him? If so that was clearly a comeback route by Torrey. You can tell by the way both Torrey and the defender broke on the ball. Just a terrible throw by Flacco. They talked about this on Ravens Wrap-up on WBAL.

    Also Joe missed Torrey twice deep down the field. Torrey had a step on the defender both times. Joe just underthrew the ball.

    His mechanics were terrible yesterday. Probably one of the worst games(mechanics wise) Joe has ever had. He threw off his back foot, didn't step into his throws, and didn't square his shoulders. Those issues resulted in the overthrows and under throws.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Are you talking about the play where the defender took Torrey's legs out from under him? If so that was clearly a comeback route by Torrey. You can tell by the way both Torrey and the defender broke on the ball. Just a terrible throw by Flacco. They talked about this on Ravens Wrap-up on WBAL.

    Also Joe missed Torrey twice deep down the field. Torrey had a step on the defender both times. Joe just underthrew the ball.

    Be careful where you tread TT Raven. Flacco is the second coming on this board. Flacco hallowed by thy name.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by TTRaven View Post
    Are you talking about the play where the defender took Torrey's legs out from under him? If so that was clearly a comeback route by Torrey. You can tell by the way both Torrey and the defender broke on the ball. Just a terrible throw by Flacco. They talked about this on Ravens Wrap-up on WBAL.
    No, I'm not talking about that one. That was a high overthrow.

    Also Joe missed Torrey twice deep down the field. Torrey had a step on the defender both times. Joe just underthrew the ball.
    I'm talking about these. One of them was a PI call. The other, Torrey was in the right slot. He went downfield and post. Joe threw the ball. Torrey just stops out of nowhere and turns around. The ball goes over his head even though Torrey tries to jump for it. If Torrey doesn't stop, he has a play on the ball.

    His mechanics were terrible yesterday. Probably one of the worst games(mechanics wise) Joe has ever had. He threw off his back foot, didn't step into his throws, and didn't square his shoulders. Those issues resulted in the overthrows and under throws.
    Agreed. But he was not helped by drops either. Torrey dropped a touchdown pass too.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by Poeboy View Post
    Be careful where you tread TT Raven. Flacco is the second coming on this board. Flacco hallowed by thy name.
    This crap is getting old and is unnecessary. Everyone needs to step back.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Poeboy View Post
    Be careful where you tread TT Raven. Flacco is the second coming on this board. Flacco hallowed by thy name.
    Says the member IN a thread that's a convergence of five different Flacco threads, all of which were highly critical of him and his play.

    Wanna try again?
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  14. #209

    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    how is that a rookie QB is already more composed than a 5 year vet.




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    Re: The "Flacco Thread" (Merged from 5 threads)

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenray View Post
    how is that a rookie QB is already more composed than a 5 year vet.
    Talent combined with the right coaching.




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