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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?



    One of the big concerns I have on Flacco is that he has actually regressed in the same system since 2010. In 09 and 2010 he really did look like a future elite QB the way he was playing, decent completion percentage, barely threw interceptions, and threw for more than 20 TD's in both seasons. Last season he looked lost at times, and this year is going down a very similar road.




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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?

    they smoke blunts b4 the game together...joes tolerance increased tremendously




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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    One of the big concerns I have on Flacco is that he has actually regressed in the same system since 2010. In 09 and 2010 he really did look like a future elite QB the way he was playing, decent completion percentage, barely threw interceptions, and threw for more than 20 TD's in both seasons. Last season he looked lost at times, and this year is going down a very similar road.
    He also had McKinnie Grubbs Birk Yanda Oher.

    This years Oline is a freaking joke. They brought McKinnie in a few times and he man handled Harrison.




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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?

    Merged the five separate Flacco threads into one ....

    Carry on ....
    WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and/or supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. All statements and assertions contained herein may be subject to literary devices not limited to: irony, metaphor, allusion and dripping sarcasm.




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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Merged the five separate Flacco threads into one ....

    Carry on ....
    Thank GOD!!




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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Merged the five separate Flacco threads into one ....

    Carry on ....
    Good move. lmao




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Moved: Joe Flacco is going to have to use his legs more.
    Started by The Excellector, Today 02:11 PM

    oh damn i thought you were gona talk about how joes needs to stick his foot up cams ass or kick harbage in the chin for keeping cam...sigh




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    I just can't help but comment on how after ANY loss, ANY loss, much less an ugly WIN, you can REST ASSURED there will be a Flacco thread, it will have dozens and dozens of posts, and a lot of them will be about how excited a lot of fans are to see Flacco screw up.

    The defense gives up just shy of 300 yards to Charlie freaking Batch, including 10 unanswered points sandwiched around halftime, 2 for 2 TDs in the red zone, and a 6 minute drive to ice the game. They LITERALLY DON'T COVER ANYBODY in the middle of the field. Yet no thread.

    Something like 7 dropped passes altogether from the other skill position players... nobody open downfield literally the WHOLE GAME... and yet no thread.

    I understand he's the QB and his mistakes are magnified, but COME ON, people. Seriously.




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I just can't help but comment on how after ANY loss, ANY loss, much less an ugly WIN, you can REST ASSURED there will be a Flacco thread, it will have dozens and dozens of posts, and a lot of them will be about how excited a lot of fans are to see Flacco screw up.

    The defense gives up just shy of 300 yards to Charlie freaking Batch, including 10 unanswered points sandwiched around halftime, 2 for 2 TDs in the red zone, and a 6 minute drive to ice the game. They LITERALLY DON'T COVER ANYBODY in the middle of the field. Yet no thread.

    Something like 7 dropped passes altogether from the other skill position players... nobody open downfield literally the WHOLE GAME... and yet no thread.

    I understand he's the QB and his mistakes are magnified, but COME ON, people. Seriously.
    Cosign! All these "Cam needs to Go" when the DC is responsible for scheming and game planning a 38 year old 3rd string QB. pittsburg would have possibly won by at least 10 if Batch didnt over throw a wide open Wallace in the end zone and Sanders didnt fumble on his own with no contact! All those 3rd down conversions and drive extensions allowed Pitts number 1 D to rest, stay fresh, and tee off on Flacco and company. Regardless whether we win or lose there's always those fans that are just looking for a reason to bash flacco, cam, or Harbs. That's just how it goes lol




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I just can't help but comment on how after ANY loss, ANY loss, much less an ugly WIN, you can REST ASSURED there will be a Flacco thread, it will have dozens and dozens of posts, and a lot of them will be about how excited a lot of fans are to see Flacco screw up.

    The defense gives up just shy of 300 yards to Charlie freaking Batch, including 10 unanswered points sandwiched around halftime, 2 for 2 TDs in the red zone, and a 6 minute drive to ice the game. They LITERALLY DON'T COVER ANYBODY in the middle of the field. Yet no thread.

    Something like 7 dropped passes altogether from the other skill position players... nobody open downfield literally the WHOLE GAME... and yet no thread.

    I understand he's the QB and his mistakes are magnified, but COME ON, people. Seriously.
    Torrey Smith was open at least 4 times downfield. One he dropped, three or more he had to turn into a DB to save Flacco an INT. He also was open when Flacco sailed one over his head allowing the defender to undercut his legs and make him land on his shoulder (one of several back foot floaters in the game).

    As certain as there will be criticism of Flacco after a loss (because we rarely if ever lose when he plays remotely well, unlike a lot of other QBs in the league), there will be someone insinuating that if not for "drops" (always exaggerated and also something that occurs across the league), Flacco would have looked great.

    Not many people are saying the defense played well. They didn't. But the "defense" isn't up for a potentially crippling contract after the season. There is not wide-ranging disagreement regarding the quality of the "defense." The defense, while worse than normal this year, is not an enigma.

    Almost everyone realizes that the defense could have won the game with better play. But a lot of people are resistant to admitting that Flacco could have won the game with better play. Hence the heated discussions.

    The QB = magnified. Inconsistent, puzzling QB (performances) = more magnified. Said QB entering FA = epic magnification.




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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensQB View Post
    He also had McKinnie Grubbs Birk Yanda Oher.

    This years Oline is a freaking joke. They brought McKinnie in a few times and he man handled Harrison.
    Actually no.. in 2010 his line was terrible.

    Oher-Grubbs-Birk-Chester-Yanda

    Yanda had to move to RT because of Jarred Gaither's BS. McKinnie was still a Viking at the time and was getting Favre killed on every play that year.

    The 2009 offensive line was much better though I'll give you that...

    Gaither-Grubbs-Birk-Yanda-Oher

    That's the kind of Oline I wish we had right now.




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I just can't help but comment on how after ANY loss, ANY loss, much less an ugly WIN, you can REST ASSURED there will be a Flacco thread, it will have dozens and dozens of posts, and a lot of them will be about how excited a lot of fans are to see Flacco screw up.

    The defense gives up just shy of 300 yards to Charlie freaking Batch, including 10 unanswered points sandwiched around halftime, 2 for 2 TDs in the red zone, and a 6 minute drive to ice the game. They LITERALLY DON'T COVER ANYBODY in the middle of the field. Yet no thread.

    Something like 7 dropped passes altogether from the other skill position players... nobody open downfield literally the WHOLE GAME... and yet no thread.

    I understand he's the QB and his mistakes are magnified, but COME ON, people. Seriously.
    We actually had this conversation after the Eagles game. You made roughly the same comments about the defense, I made roughly the same comments about Flacco's performance.

    Bottom line for me is this: both close losses in which the Ravens won the turnover battle.

    That makes two games this year that the Ravens have lost while winning the turnover battle. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that a game you lose while winning the turnover battle is the fault of the defense.

    Check out the table at this link, and ponder Flacco's fumble rate with respect to other QBs:

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...ootball/19786/

    Bottom line: I don't think Flacco is the only one to blame, but this loss was more down to offensive incompetence than defensive incompetence. The Steelers only scored 23, which actually happens to be very close to the average # of points the Ravens give up at M&T this season (21.8 ppg surrendered through six games). The reason they didn't win is that the offense failed to put up close to its home point average, or even overall average.




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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Torrey Smith was open at least 4 times downfield. One he dropped, three or more he had to turn into a DB to save Flacco an INT. He also was open when Flacco sailed one over his head allowing the defender to undercut his legs and make him land on his shoulder (one of several back foot floaters in the game).

    As certain as there will be criticism of Flacco after a loss (because we rarely if ever lose when he plays remotely well, unlike a lot of other QBs in the league), there will be someone insinuating that if not for "drops" (always exaggerated and also something that occurs across the league), Flacco would have looked great.

    Not many people are saying the defense played well. They didn't. But the "defense" isn't up for a potentially crippling contract after the season. There is not wide-ranging disagreement regarding the quality of the "defense." The defense, while worse than normal this year, is not an enigma.

    Almost everyone realizes that the defense could have won the game with better play. But a lot of people are resistant to admitting that Flacco could have won the game with better play. Hence the heated discussions.

    The QB = magnified. Inconsistent, puzzling QB (performances) = more magnified. Said QB entering FA = epic magnification.
    It's always "tit for tat" with you. The fact that Smith was open on one play doesn't mitigate his dropping a ball on another play; football games aren't like equations that have to balance themselves out. I'm not disputing that Flacco had a bad game, I'm only pointing out the magnitude of response is vastly different between Flacco and everyone else.

    And yeah, there's no doubt that Flacco is due for more criticism as a result of his being the QB and an impending FA, but there is literally NO discussion OTHER THAN Flacco and the offense occurring at this time, and the defense has at least one big name player set to hit FA who had a very uneven night last night--Ed Reed.

    And in closing, you are very prone to strawman arguments. There is literally NO ONE HERE "resistant to admitting that Flacco could have won the game with better play." If he hit on one of those deep balls he missed the game could have been very different. But again, football games aren't really played like that. If Torrey Smith catches the sure TD Flacco might not have NEEDED to play better... and vice-versa, ad infinitum...




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    Re: How has Caldwell benefited Flacco?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Merged the five separate Flacco threads into one ....

    Carry on ....
    If you did the same with every "Cam" thread there would only be 2 threads on the board
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    Re: What is Joe worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    It's always "tit for tat" with you.
    Huh? Are you implying people shouldn't offer counterpoints to your points? Is that what you are going for with the unnecessary CAPSLOCK usage?


    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    The fact that Smith was open on one play doesn't mitigate his dropping a ball on another play; football games aren't like equations that have to balance themselves out.
    Huh? No one said anything about balancing something out. I didn't say Smith's drop should be subtracted from Flacco's three horrible deep throws, leaving Smith blameless and Flacco being "net-blamed" for 2 horrible throws. So you are simply confused here.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I'm not disputing that Flacco had a bad game, I'm only pointing out the magnitude of response is vastly different between Flacco and everyone else.
    You did not "only" point that out, or I would have responded "only" with my last paragraph about the magnitude. You offered the standard and predictable excuses in your post complaining about the standard and predictable criticisms after poor play.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    And yeah, there's no doubt that Flacco is due for more criticism as a result of his being the QB and an impending FA, but there is literally NO discussion OTHER THAN Flacco and the offense occurring at this time, and the defense has at least one big name player set to hit FA who had a very uneven night last night--Ed Reed.
    This is because, as I said, there is little disagreement about Reed (combined with the already-stipulated fact that QB is more important). Discussions are prolonged when people are arguing. When everyone thinks the same thing then the thread gets a few 's and then dies.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    And in closing, you are very prone to strawman arguments. There is literally NO ONE HERE "resistant to admitting that Flacco could have won the game with better play." If he hit on one of those deep balls he missed the game could have been very different. But again, football games aren't really played like that. If Torrey Smith catches the sure TD Flacco might not have NEEDED to play better... and vice-versa, ad infinitum...
    I am not prone to strawman arguments at all. You are certainly prone to needless CAPSLOCK usage in an attempt to argue your points. There is "no one resistant to admitting Flacco could have won the game," you say right before saying that "football games aren't played like that" in dismissing the thing you are claiming everyone will (but don't) admit.

    Football games are played exacty like that. When your QB plays a game that poorly you don't often win (though we win more than most in these cases). When you are facing Charlie Batch (or Sanchez or Blaine Gabbert, etc) then the game becomes winnable with decent play by the rest of the team. We didn't get enough of either.

    Remember you started this with a post implying people are being unreasonable ("but COME ON, people. Seriously") and predictable in criticizing Flacco. I responded to say that it isn't unreasonable and the excuse-making is as predictable. My points still stand. They weren't very enlightening points, admittedly, but they were perfectly appropriate considering what they were addressing.
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