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    Quote Originally Posted by landspeed View Post
    The only time this offense moves is when Joe is calling the shots.
    That's an interesting comment. So, when exactly is it that Joe is calling the shots versus when Cam is calling the shots, and how exactly do you know which is which (or, actually, when is when)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    That's an interesting comment. So, when exactly is it that Joe is calling the shots versus when Cam is calling the shots, and how exactly do you know which is which (or, actually, when is when)?
    I will really enjoy the answer as well (when/if it comes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    They play better when they are behind and Joe plays from the shotgun.
    Joe gets a lot of criticism for not performing well on the road but to me its not all deserved. The dropped passes early on were drive killers that never allowed Flacco to get into a rhythm. In my opinion if those very accurate passes were not dropped the offense would have flowed. A lot of people think we have.a lot of dropped passes but it just seems to be just on the road and usually great passes.

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    Think about it. We played lights out defense and didn't turn the ball over. It seemed like what we were doing played into the overall gameplan. Probably the one thing that they didn't count on was being stuffed in the run every play.




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    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    That's an interesting comment. So, when exactly is it that Joe is calling the shots versus when Cam is calling the shots, and how exactly do you know which is which (or, actually, when is when)?
    It is not necessarily when Joe is calling the plays but when they start running plays that highlight his strengths. They only did that because they were down 10 points and time was running out. They spread the field with only one running back and started using horizontal routes. Sure as shit vertical routes starting opening up and Rice became more effective running the ball.

    I am starting to think that Cam is not nearly as much to blame as Harbs. We have seen Cam try to make games a slugfest at the direction of Harbs. When the Ravens get down Harbs has to let Cam cut the offense loose and all of sudden Cam's play calling does not look to bad. They just need to open up the offense up out of the gate. Spread the defense out and let the offense work the entire field. Stop with the I formation run run throw a 10 yard out offense.




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    If losing our remaining games means we get rid of Cam - I WOULD TAKE THAT IN A HEARTBEAT!

    You seem to think I regret saying that - you are grossly mistaken! It also doesn't mean I am not a Ravens fan. Its like cutting out a cancer that will save or at least extend your life (in this case its Joe's and the Raven's future success that are at stake). Ask the Colt fans if they regret losing all those games last year - see what kind of answer you get.

    The more you restate it for me by quoting me the HAPPIER I AM - its my red badge of courage!


    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    You also said we'd lose the rest of our games, and you openly admitted you wanted us to lose loads of games so that Cam could get fired...




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    Re: This is INSANITY

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
    That's an interesting comment. So, when exactly is it that Joe is calling the shots versus when Cam is calling the shots, and how exactly do you know which is which (or, actually, when is when)?
    Isn't joe calling the shots in the no huddle? Which we ran primarily in the last minutes of the fourth quarter?




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    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    If losing our remaining games means we get rid of Cam - I WOULD TAKE THAT IN A HEARTBEAT!

    You seem to think I regret saying that - you are grossly mistaken! It also doesn't mean I am not a Ravens fan. Its like cutting out a cancer that will save or at least extend your life (in this case its Joe's and the Raven's future success that are at stake). Ask the Colt fans if they regret losing all those games last year - see what kind of answer you get.

    The more you restate it for me by quoting me the HAPPIER I AM - its my red badge of courage!
    Wow does everyone see this? You would fucking fire Cam at the expense of a SB run?


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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Isn't joe calling the shots in the no huddle? Which we ran primarily in the last minutes of the fourth quarter?
    I think it's a combination of him and the sideline. He still has that earpiece to get calls in if I'm not mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    If losing our remaining games means we get rid of Cam - I WOULD TAKE THAT IN A HEARTBEAT!

    You seem to think I regret saying that - you are grossly mistaken! It also doesn't mean I am not a Ravens fan. Its like cutting out a cancer that will save or at least extend your life (in this case its Joe's and the Raven's future success that are at stake). Ask the Colt fans if they regret losing all those games last year - see what kind of answer you get.

    The more you restate it for me by quoting me the HAPPIER I AM - its my red badge of courage!
    Brilliant! What ravens fan would wish for the team to lose the rest of its game just to get rid of one person.




  11. #41

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    The Raven's aren't going to get anywhere near the Superbowl. You are truely DELUSIONAL!

    Exactly how many 4th and 29 conversions do you think the Ravens have in their back pocket?



    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Wow does everyone see this? You would fucking fire Cam at the expense of a SB run?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    The Raven's aren't going to get anywhere near the Superbowl. You are truely DELUSIONAL!

    Exactly how many 4th and 29 conversions do you think the Ravens have in their back pocket?
    I hope as with the predictions others have made of "8-8" and "how does this team get to 10 wins" this prediction fails as well.

    How anyone can claim with 100% certainty like this about any teams SB chances after the Packers and Giants the 05 Steelers, the Colts, the Saints, hell almost every team who won the SB since 05 who has won the SB is crazy.

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    It's not hard to figure out why they've played more conservative lately until they have to turn it on. It's because when they do an up tempo offense - hurry up, sugar huddle or whatever you want to call it - and it's not successful, then they lose the time of possession battle badly and the defense wears down. That's your answer. By going back to a more ball control offense, even if they don't gain a lot of yards or score a bunch of points they accomplish a very important thing - they control the time of possession (or at least make it close) and keep the defense fresh.

    I don't agree with that philosophy. I'm from the school of thought that if you play too conservatively (especially against an inferior opponent) you give that team a bigger chance to hang around and beat you in the end.

    Regardless of what whether they run a ball control offense, sugar huddle, full hurry up or something else I just wish the coaching staff would show the ability to adjust on the fly and not stick with an uneffective gameplan until halftime. I think that's one of if not the most important jobs of a coach. As good as the coaching staff has been the last 5 years with the consecutive playoff appearances and the impressive records, the weakest part of the coaching staff is failure to make adjustments in real time on the fly.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rharris1986 View Post
    The Raven's aren't going to get anywhere near the Superbowl. You are truely DELUSIONAL!

    Exactly how many 4th and 29 conversions do you think the Ravens have in their back pocket?
    Yeah, the Ravens will never get within 1 dropped pass of being in the Superbowl. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    I am starting to think that Cam is not nearly as much to blame as Harbs. We have seen Cam try to make games a slugfest at the direction of Harbs. When the Ravens get down Harbs has to let Cam cut the offense loose and all of sudden Cam's play calling does not look too bad.
    I think you might have something here. Harbs may be the single most risk-averse coach in the NFL. Maybe that's a result of his special-teams pedigree where he's seen games change in the blink of an eye. But his entire philosophy seems to be to take no chances unless there's no alternative: Don't make avoidable mistakes but take advantage of the opponents', don't give up the big plays but play for them yourself, play grind-it-out field position in preference to a track meet.

    The offense Cam's been calling is a risk-averse coach's dream: Safe runs, safe routes, safe dumpoffs, & the occasional shot down the field (which itself is pretty low risk/high reward--you don't complete a lot of them, but an incomplete doesn't lose you yardage [if Joe stays upright] & when a deep throw is picked it's normally not much worse than a punt).

    The only time the offense opens up is when the team is, not just behind, but behind by a significant amount relative to the time remaining, because the risk-reward ratio changes--a loss counts the same in the standings whether it's by 1 point or by 31 points. The problem with that, of course, is that you're asking your offense to change gears pretty abruptly.

    Joe wants to be a gunslinger. Harbs wants to minimize risk & the role of chance. Cam might just be the guy caught in the middle.




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