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    4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds



    I really like Harbs and don't rag him much except for clock management, but this was a stupid move. In a low scoring slug fest you take the points, especially at the 13 yard line. Who knows what would have happened had the Ravens gotten 3 there instead of 0, but it is likely that the contest would have been tied when the Ravens started their last drive in regulation and that they would have marched down the field for the winning field goal then instead of sending the game to OT. It also would have meant that 4th and 29 would not have been such a huge deal as the game would have likely been tied.

    Not only did Harbs nearly cost the game, but he forced his players to play extra time, risking injury. Bad move. But it all worked out in the end. But he shouldn't have done that.

    Ray Ray saved Harbs' ass today.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    I have no problem with going for it on 4th and 1 with how the game was going, but it's ridiculous to not have Rice in the game in that situation. I know Pierce is supposedly a "big back" or whatever, and he's been good in his limited role, but if I'm going for it, I'm going for it with my best offensive player on the field. Not that the end result was any fault of Pierce, just don't understand the logic in going with anyone but your best player in such a crucial situation.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    I had more of a problem with the 3&1 QB sneak. It was so obvious to the entire viewing audience what play was coming when the Ravens were walking up to the line of scrimmage. I do agree we should have taken the 3 points because they were hard to come by and have been whenever we are on the road.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    Don't get me started lol...that and playing for the FG at the end of regulation. But we won so it was one of the things the team overcame.

    Got to give the team credit.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    The QB sneak was a bad spot, imo. It looked to me like Flacco's forward progress made the first down. I didn't have a problem with the call, and would have preferred they run it again when it was 4 and inches. If Flacco can't get 8 inches behind Yanda...well, we're screwed.

    That decision to go for it showed faith in the defense, imo. You've got them deep in their own territory, and you're banking that if you don't get the first down they'll get you the ball back with it still being a one score game. It didn't quite work out that way, but it did work out.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    I have no problem at all with the 4th and 1 call.

    In fact, it may have helped us get the win. It can be argued that SD does not let us march down the field as easily as we did if they are only up 7 (vs. the 10 they were up) with less than a half a quarter left to play. The fact they were up 2 scores seemed to get them into the always-dubious prevent mode whereby getting beat deep is guarded against at the expense of a steady and somewhat time consuming drive.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post
    I have no problem with going for it on 4th and 1 with how the game was going, but it's ridiculous to not have Rice in the game in that situation. I know Pierce is supposedly a "big back" or whatever, and he's been good in his limited role, but if I'm going for it, I'm going for it with my best offensive player on the field. Not that the end result was any fault of Pierce, just don't understand the logic in going with anyone but your best player in such a crucial situation.
    More importantly, run to your strength - the play should have been run to the Ravens strong side! They had their 'muscle' on the left, and chose the right....bad move!!
    "Grab those pusillanimous sons-a-bitches by the nose and kick 'em in the balls.." General George S. Patton




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    Wally Williams summed it up perfectly this morning on 105.7. The reason the Ravens can't sneak the ball is because the sneak is all dependent on OL push. If you're running a QB sneak behind your center and the center is not getting any push what so ever (even getting pushed backwards) then your sneak will never be successful. Let's face it, Matt Birk was a great player, but now he's basically running on fumes. Anytime he's not getting help he loses vs. his assignment. He's a liability one on one. I really hope Gradkowski is ready by next year because if he's not they'll have to spend another draft pick on a center or get one via free agency again.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    I like what I've seen out of Gradkowski, but he has to get stronger. He seems to have good feet and good technique, but between the season and the off-season, he needs to put on muscle.




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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by Cj34 View Post
    Wally Williams summed it up perfectly this morning on 105.7. The reason the Ravens can't sneak the ball is because the sneak is all dependent on OL push. If you're running a QB sneak behind your center and the center is not getting any push what so ever (even getting pushed backwards) then your sneak will never be successful.


    Birk has been a warrior and overachiever for his entire career, but he's definitely on his last legs.
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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    This one might have actually been on Flacco. After thinking about it, it seems like the sneak was on. However, when Flacco saw the LBs crowd up for it, he checked out, into option B. Now, option B sucked, because if you are going to run anything in that situation outside of the seam, you need Rice in the game. If you are going to run it up the gut, which might have been the original call, you use Pierce.

    Personally, I would have went for the sneak again and was convinced that they were thinking the same.

    So, either the original call was a sneak that Flacco checked out of, or a run up the gut, in which case, he correctly checked out of it, but with an even worse plan B call.
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    Re: 4th and 1 in 3rd with 34 seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    More importantly, run to your strength - the play should have been run to the Ravens strong side! They had their 'muscle' on the left, and chose the right....bad move!!
    This. Remember, Flacco checked out of the original play and ran the ball away from the strong side blocking.




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