personal experiences vs personal experiences. not to mention endless youtube videos to support that people getting hit by cars very rarely jump right up unless its under extremely slow circumstances. looking at the damage done to the car, its not hard to conclude this was not a slow impact to begin with, being run over at that point is just icing on the cake so to speak. based on your own they had him pinned against a tree at first. (note: your reference that if only HE had a gun he could have defended is mainly where i disagree in all of this).
Originally Posted by HoustonRaven
even by looking at the photos you can tell the second part is wrong. He wasnt taken and then initially stabbed.
The victim himself could have been armed and not necessarily everyone else. The attackers first struck him with a car, pinning him against a tree. There's opportunity right there to take out a weapon and defend himself. Then they drug him into the street before stabbing him. Again, another opportunity for someone to pull out a weapon and end things right there.
the blood trail leads to the street meaning he was stabbed at the tree. please show me where people were saying he was coherent after it and even remotely defended himself and ill gladly say a gun could have been, at the very least, an option if he wasnt "pinned" from getting to it. Im not using conjecture, im using whats been stated photos and physics. they hit him, they ran over him, they stabbed him immediately afterward and simply looking at the car damage to come to that conclusion.
I look at each individually. which is why we disagree on the outcomes of these. I think having a gun to protect is a good thing its the effectiveness per situation and when to use it are where we typically disagree. i feel per situation youre not taking into account circumstances your end result is always, "better to have a gun than not". which is fine and id agree for the most part, i just dont agree that it always matters.
The fluidity of being attacked and the uniqueness of each and every time someone is attacked is something you don't seem to fathom.
if youre on that much of an alert at all times. that in a dazed state after an accident your first thought is to start processing if your in an attack thats fine. I just dont believe that to be the case with most people.
Could it be unlikely that this soldier could not have defended himself? Sure. But I will never jump to the conclusion it's impossible and I'd like to see people prepared for that scenario.
Ive seen video of a lady run over a guy. twice. she then got out of her car and walked over to look at him and got back into her car and tried to drive off again. people were around, nobody jumped to pull out a gun and shoot her but she had every bit as much time to start knifing the victim if she was going to. FTR, they did try to stop her from driving off again. Is that because she was female? maybe. i just dont think its everyones instinct to be ready to shoot at all times. It seems like you guys are always looking for a reason to use your gun, which at least at the basis of the argument i can understand, because a gun is worthless if youre not ready to use it. I just dont think certain situations thats realistic.
Originally Posted by NCRAVEN
I dont think ANY attack cannot be stopped once started. thats not remotely how i feel. There are plenty that i feel have no effect regardless though. hoping to be saved and the effectiveness/likelihood you are, are two different things. in this instance i dont think a gun mattered much at all. Id hope as well somebody would have one to try or prevent further if need be but in this instance, nor further attack was made, so no further action was needed, making a bystander having a gun, moot.
Continue to think that once any attack starts that there is nothing no one can do to stop it, that's your prerogative. I would hope that if I was that soldier and someone around me was armed and witnessed me get run over and then the people get out with knives and guns that said armed person would try to step up and stop it.