Same fact with Ryan. See HRs post above.
Why won't Christians vote for Ryan? An Irish Catholic with a solid voting record on te social issues important to them?
It's not just Ryan but anyone.
BTW, the Catholic Church voted for OBY. Then he thanked them by attacking them with the contraceptive thing.
The Christian Right is the Southern Baptists and non-denominational protestant evangelical Christians.
They didn't vote for Kennedy when he became the first Catholic president and they won't vote for
Mitt to become the first Mormon president.
In fact, millions of Christians are pissed that Billy Graham, a Southern Baptist, is in bed with the Pope. Um, not physically but figuretively. He sends many people from his crusade to join the Catholic Church when they go forward and has met with every Pope.
Billy even has priests, cardinals and bishops on his stage with the protestant ministers.
The protestants left them over 400 years ago. It's called the reformation.
One, it's from April of 2011 ...
Two, this was a RV poll, but 10% of those polled were not even registered to vote.
I'd love to see something more recent than a poll that's 18 months old.
EDIT: And not a very smart move going on 60 Minutes the same night as the Olympic closing ceremonies. Why not wait a week and max exposure next Sunday?
They're taking advantage of the pick being fresh in the news cycle. Who they hell watches the closing ceremonies anyway?
As far as the poll, I personally think it's good that a registered voter poll as they are usually less informed.
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I could easily flip the script back to you and say "Damn, they can't do anything wrong".
I'll be the first to say it when I think they do something right or deserve praise. I just feel they haven't done much right lately. The polls bare that out.
You could, and I'll admit I'm an optimist so I do try to find the good in most everything, but we can go through and find where I've criticized things.
I feel since you thought he should be starting to hit back a few weeks or so ago that you haven't agreed with anything they've done. While I think you're right on things like they've been getting caught up in the back and forth and not staying on message, I agree with going on 60 minutes. Romney was beginning to get defined by BHO, getting on primetime with Ryan gets in front of BHO's defining Ryan (not that going on 60 minutes will stop him from trying.
(For now and future reference, please note that I'm a card-carrying Independent (fiscal con, social lib). I'm also a contrarian that likes to isht on conventional wisdom whenever possible.):D
My take on the Ryan pick is that in real-time, tweets, fb posts, polls, bus tour turnouts, ads, and excitement about conventions and future debates seem like they matter, but ultimately they only matter a little bit.
The BFD is electoral votes. Always is, right? So the question is an age-old, easy one (Stinger mentioned it upthread)...what does Ryan do for the ticket electorally?
I'll hold back my wall of text for now (people keep interrupting me here), but I don't think he does/will do as much as the Repubs need. VP candidates--to a small degree--can help a party lose an election, but have any really helped to win one?
Do you see Ryan as the "swing state-flipper" needed?
He's very popular in his district, but it's a district that does not hold much weight in state wide elections. It encompasses Racine, Kenosha and much of the plains to the west. State-wide, he's not a very popular figure and I do not see him being able to swing the state red, especially when you consider WI has not gone for the GOP since the 80's.
WI is beholden to two cities, Milwaukee and Madison. Neither of which will ever go red.
I think the narrative is written on him in Florida as well, accurate or not, seniors are not going to perceive him as some on the right are hoping. Seniors (LV's ages 65+) vote in lock step with the Dems, especially in Florida. The only exception to this was McCain 4 years ago. Polling since 2008 show overwhelming support for Obama by the seniors and I don't think Ryan changes that equation. In a state that's VERY close, it may very well come down to the senior vote in FL.
I can see him getting some traction in Ohio though. I think his message plays well there.
Zogby already says he's seeing a jump in poll numbers in swing states, which is exactly what I said picking Ryan should do over trying to nab one state.
And I don't know how Ryan won't play in Florida considering his medicare plan doesn't hurt them at all. Once he reminds Florida seniors that Obama cut Medicare by $700 billion to fund Obamacare, I think Florida will swing back pretty quickly.
Patience Houston, patience. :)
Rasmussen just released a poll with his popularity rating in WI. It's only at 39%. 35% have no opinion of him. You can spin that both ways, of course.
As for Florida and the seniors, I don't doubt what you say. I agree with what Obamacare and the Ryan Plan means to to seniors. My point is that the narrative is already written. You're arguing what the plan says and means. I am arguing that it does not mater. That it's already in their heads that Ryan is the dude that will walk then into the grave. And you can thank the AARP for that. They have been lying to their members for decades and they lap it up.