First, I'm not sure that there are many people calling for the NCAA to step in with the death penalty. One person, Terpsfan82 suggested it about 20 posts back. That lead to a lot of discussion over whether the NCAA has any jurisdiction here, and when the so called death penalty should or should not be applied.
Whether it's the death penalty or something less, I think your issue, if I read your post correctly, is that the football team should not be the target of the NCAA because the football team didn't benefit directly from the terrible wrong doing, and therefore this should just be a criminal matter -- punish the men who knew and did nothing, but don't punish the players and coaches of the football team who were never involved and didn't benefit on the scoreboard. If I am fairly characterizing your point.
I have to differ with that point of view. I say you can't separate the football team and the university. They are inseparable. If anything, the football team is the tail that wags this immense dog -- which really is the disturbing part of all this (aside from what Sandusky himself did) -- and that seems to be all too common with big time athletics.
The men who covered this up can be held criminally liable, fine. But I think it goes beyond them.
Ask yourself, why did they do it? To benefit themselves? No. If they were acting selfishly they'd distance themselves as far as possible from Sandusky by turning him in as fast as possible and telling the world they did their jobs the instant all this came to light.
They did it to protect, not themselves, but the football team and the largess the team brings to the university. The football team was the sacred cow that needed to be protected above all else -- themselves, the university, Sandusky's boys.
They did it to save the team from the terrible PR fallout, which would damage the proud tradition they were protecting, damage recruiting, damage the ability to win games for years to come, damage revenue, and ultimately damage the university, which feeds off the lifeblood of the football program.
To argue that this story is bigger than football misses what to me is a glaring point: nothing is bigger than football in the upside-down world of big-university systems. This entire story proves it. If we all accept the argument it insn't about football, and if football is allowed to remain on the pedestal at Penn State, then I think we, like so many at Penn State, have our heads in the sand.
Does that mean the NCAA needs do the dirty work, and come in with its death penalty? I don't know. It really doesn't matter to me who presides over this mess, but I do believe that the football team needs to be knocked down a notch. University presidents and trustees need to get the message that they need to monitor the men and women who are charged with making good decisions, or they won't have a university to preside over anymore.
I understand the argument that the current coaches and players who didn't cause the problem should not be the ones to suffer for the sins of a few men. That sounds fair on the surface, but it isn't the way the world works.
When institutional leaders eff-up, the entire institution must and does suffer. Enron and Lehman Bros. employees lose their jobs. Stock holders lose their investments. The entire nation suffers economically when legislators and regulators fail to oversee our nation's banks -- or when allow dirty deeds to go unpunished in the name of protecting profits.
The fact that the little guys at PSU didn't cause any of this isn't justification for protecting an institution that went awry.
You've characterized my point correctly. Here's where we disagree. The benefit was to the program from a PR standpoint, but did nothing to effect on field performance, at least nothing that can be quantified. A player wasn't allowed to play who should've been ineligible, for example. You could try and make the argument that the team benefited from his coaching when he should've been suspended/fired/incarcerated, but that's shaky and doesn't really have much precedent that I can think of.
Again, I do think PSU deserves all that they're going to get, and the football team will have a lot of rough seas ahead due to the public backlash. I have no issue with that. I just don't think the NCAA needs to be involved.
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If I run a publicly traded company and I conceal bad PR to keep the stock price high, I benefitted directly and fiscally from said concealment.
The Felonious Four concealed 14 years worth of the most heinous PR possible and fiscally benefitted from that cover up via continued contributions and support from donors / boosters.
I don't see a distinction and the more I think about it, the more I hope the NCAA goes ahead and tries to enforce a sanction even if there is a chance it gets overturned in federal court. It may end up in court, but can PSU afford the bad PR that would come from that defense? I don't think so.
I will give them credit for the fact that they hired Freeh in the first place to do the investigation, so it would appear they want to know all the facts. Lets see how they deal with them.
I am just now reading this thread, and I want to say that the commentary has been very insightful and respectful...lots of good information and points being made (I think my position on the "death penalty" changed back and forth a couple of times).
I keep going back the the Freeh report: http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/R...NAL_071212.pdf
Chapter 10 has their recommendations. Number 1: Penn State Culture
Those that are saying that this should be limited to criminal prosecutions, or that those currently involved in the football program should not be punished for actions they did not commit, miss the point, respectively. The culture was what allowed the actions to go on for so long unreported. It caused police and district attorneys to lean towards no charges. It allowed the school's disciplinary official to be overruled.
Has that changed? Maybe with Paterno's passing, it has. Maybe not, if the on-going reaction at PSU is any indication.
That would be the most perfect action (among many other actions) coming out of this mess, imo. It would show a clear indication that the University was attempting to change the culture. I don't think it will happen, though.Quote:
B-More Ravor: Personally, I think the University should self-impose a 4- or 5-year hiatus for the football progam and release all of the present players from their scholarship.
i found this article that talks about the holes in the report itself. i am not a penn state guy. i agree with you all that horrible and disgusting acts were covered up just to avoid bad publicity. so dont beat me up too bad. i just thought it was an interesting piece of objectivity http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2012/....html?spref=fb