I love both Ray's and what they've done for the team, but I am not big on harming the team longterm for any player. The train moves on...but it won't if you keep holding onto guys over sentimental reasons.
I would not blame him for not attending OTAs. I would sour if he wants to significantly more than market value and held out of TC. I would also sour a bit with the front office if they were low balling him.
I don't know why people here think Ray Rice was giving the Ravens a discount when he was playing under a rookie contract, and comparing that to the veteran contracts that his backup and FB were playing under. If you have a problem with rookies and vets being paid on different scales, then that's a beef you have with the CBA, the NFL, and the NFLPA for the labor agreement they hammered out.
Ray Rice deserves to be paid something similar to what Arian Foster got.
So if - and I stress if - the Ravens have offered him that, and if Rice has spurned the offer, an offer I think is fair, then count me in with the fans who will begin to sour on Ray.
I want to see Rice be paid fairly. Foster money is fair. More than that is greedy and bad for the team.
Rice is the big team guy, I'm sure the Ravens gave him a more then fair offer and he won't take it. So therefore he is holding the team in a salary cap bind until he realizes that he is getting what he's worth and not any more.
BTW - I think Ed Reed should take a pay cut. He's not worth his cap number he has now, anymore.
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If Rice holds out, next, man up!Rice did well against most teams, but had problems against the teams we needed to beat.Can't claim to be all that when he couldn't make a big difference in the pats game. Pick up those first downs when it mattered the most and the Ravens go to the SB the last several years.
I do not think whatsoever he skips games. The ravens hold all the cards here and he said if he had to he would play under the tag. When he holds out (notice I said when) I believe it will be until the end of camp. But there is no need to get a deal done now as they have till july 15. Look at Suggs when was his deal done, around july 15 of that year. My gut says they agree to a deal around the july 15 deadline. I also belive Flacco gets done before then. Webb Should be done most likely during the season or right before.
Everyone keeps saying the Ravens offered Rice a deal similar to Foster's. Arnie_uk suggested it may have been this guy (thanks Arnie) but I can't find any reference to that. I've seen him say that the Foster deal "could be a good comparison for Rice negotiations", but not that the Ravens actually offered him that.
Ray Rice deserves at least what Foster got, and he cannot risk getting hurt while playing under the tag. He may play this year under it but I would be shocked if he played next year under it.
If the Ravens did offer him Foster money that's one thing, but if they didn't than they are low balling him and he has every right to do what's best for himself and his family. I think he knows that the Ravens are a billion dollar enterprise, and he has already played for way less than he's worth. Hell he could have pulled a Chris Johnson and demanded more money last year but he played out his contract and now he deserves to get paid.
I'm not advocating that replacing Rice is the best thing to do as he is a massive portion of this offense and the team (nearly 1/3rd of the offensive production went through Rice the past two seasons), but ultimately the success of this offense hinges on Joe Flacco.
It is reasonable to think that with a better offensive line and better receivers, Double-A or even a rookie RB could provide enough of a running game to make the offense as productive.
I remember reading that he was offered a contract like fosters but at this point like I said before the is no reason to accept it. There is no sense of urgeny on either side as July 15 is 3 months away. I do believe they get a deal done as rice said he does not want to play under the tag but will. No need to get a deal done now. Let's get flacco done then when July 1 comes along we can bring back the rice talks. It won't happen till then because no one will budge until there is a sense of urgency. The only way it happens before July 15 is if he accepts the deal foster got which RIGHT NOW I don't think he will do. That may change in July.
Overall, my point was that this team's SB aspirations are going to live and die with Flacco, not Ray Rice.
I think even towards the first couple pages of this specific thread Shas and I were discussing the actual amount of "value" that Rice brings to the table versus what Foster brings to Houston. When it's all said and done, both guys brought approximately 35% of the offense to their respective teams. That is a ridiculous thing when you think about it and replacing it or coming close to replicating it is not an easy feat at all, but the Ravens wouldn't be the first team to go that route IF they chose to do so.