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Informative thread, but do you guys really think they cut Ike Taylor? He just signed a big 4 year deal and had a good season. Keisel too? I could see them cutting or at least restructuring Heath Miller, 7 million is a lot for a aging TE.
I could see another team placing a claim on Wallace, giving up a first for him if he is only scheduled to make about 3 million.
Be careful. You might get deported from the "Nation." :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelFaninBMore
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That seems to be the way Goodell wants it anyway, might as well change with the times. They could still win enough games to be in contention for a wildcard.
The silver lining is that this rebuilding/reloading period comes at a time where the AFC is not as strong as it was the last few years. The Colts are down, the Jets are imploding (unless they somehow land Manning). The powerhouses for the forseeable future look to be New England and Baltimore, and then a considerable drop-off to a log-jam of second-tier teams, that should include Pittsburgh. 9 wins next year could still get a #6 seed, as it did this year.
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Cinci might be the next power, and maybe the Raiders. one day the Chargers might get their act together (after they fire Norv). doubt Miami, Buff, Cleve, Indi, Jax will do much soon.
I don't see how you can cut your top corner you just gave a long term deal to either. Problem is as I laid out earlier they are so pressed against the cap something has to give. They will have to restructure him at the least, along with the other top 6 contracts. And all that does is just push money to next year. The cap numbers for their top guys are already huge because they restructured a lot of them last year to get under the cap. If they do it again it is just going to be worse for 2013. Miller isn't going anywhere either he is one of their core players, and at 29 years old I wouldn't call that old or aging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boulderraven
Steelfan I totally forgot about Brett Keisel, what do you think about him? Another guy just like Ike who is old, locked up for a long time and the best at his respective position by a long shot. Has a big cap number with very little savings if cut (4.5 cap number would only free up 1.15 extra if they cut him).
Those numbers dictate they almost have to keep him, but again they just don't have the money. Plus you have Heyward and Hood right behind him 10 years younger and high draft picks?
Where the Steelers could take a hit is with their veteran leadership. When Baltimore released, McGahee, Heap, Mason and Gregg, they still had the type of quality veteran leadership to lend itself to overcoming the hurdles of youth. The question will be whether or not the Steelers will be able to do the same. A great player does not automatically make a leader. Chris McAlister was a great player. Chris McAlister was not a great leader.
Here is an update with some stuff I have been reading....
Projected with cap numbers
Quarterback: (3)
Ben Roethilsberger....16,920,000 UC
Dennis Dixon..............1,000,000 UFA
Charlie Batch..............1,000,000 UFA
Sub Total - 18,920,000
Running Back: (5)
Rashard Mendenhall.....3,427,500 UC
Issac Redman.................540,000 EFA
Mewelde Moore.............1,000,000 UFA
Jonathan Dwyer...............565,948 UC
David Johnson..............1,260,000 RFA
Sub Total - 6,793,448
Offensive Line: (10)
Maurkice Pouncey...........2,166,750 UC
Marcus Gilbert...................733,503 UC
Jonathan Scott...............2,700,000 UC
Ramon Foster.................1,260,000 RFA
Doug Legursky................1,260,000 RFA
Trai Essex.......................1,000,000 UFA
Jamon Meredith..................800,000 UC
Willie Colon.....................5,700,000 UC
Greg Warren.......................925,000 UC
Max Starks?.....................1,000,000 UFA
Sub Total - 17,545,253
Tight End: (3)
Heath Miller.....................7,070,500 UC
Weslye Saunders................466,333 UC
Draft Pick(5)......................400,000 N/A
Sub Total - 7,936,833
Wide Receiver: (5)
Mike Wallace....................2,750,000 RFA
Antonio Brown.....................564,359 UC
Emmanuel Sanders..............735,357 UC
Jerricho Cotchery..............1,000,000 UFA
Arnez Battle.....................1,362,500 UC
Sub Total - 6,412,216
Defensive End: (4)
Brett Keisel...................4,500,000 UC
Evander Hood...................1,728,535 UC
Cameron Heyward.............1,523,870 UC
Draft Pick(2)........................700,000 N/A
Sub Total - 8,452,405
Defensive Tackle: (4)
Steve McLendon...................540,000 EFA
Draft Pick (1).....................1,200,000 N/A
Draft Pick (6)........................300,000 N/A
UDFA....................................100,000 N/A
Sub Total - 2,140,000
Outside Linebacker: (4)
LaMarr Woodley....................7,100,000 UC (restructure)
James Harrison.....................9,030,000 UC
Jason Worilds..........................895,000 UC
Chris Carter............................505,700 UC
Sub Total - 17,530,700
Inside Linebacker: (3)
Lawrence Timmons..............5,125,000 UC (restructure)
Farrior/Foote.........................3,825,000 UC
Stevenson Sylvester.................578,854 UC
Sub total - 9,528,854
Corner: (6)
Keenan Lewis.......................1,260,000 RFA
William Gay.........................1,250,000 UFA
Curtis Brown...........................595,300 UC
Cortez Allen............................562,875 UC
Draft Pick(4)............................400,000 N/A
Draft Pick (7)...........................100,000 N/A
Sub Total - 4,168,175
Safety: (4)
Troy Polamalu.......................8,887,500 UC
Ryan Clark............................4,250,000 UC
Ryan Mundy..........................1,260,000 RFA
Draft Pick(3)............................600,000 N/A
Sub Total - 14,997,500
Kicker and Punter: (2)
Shaun Suisham.......................1,687,500 N/A
Punter......................................400,000 N/A
Sub Total - 2,087,500
Now that all adds up to 116,512,884 with all 53 players. Say 116 million with just the top 51 players. Add in the 2.4 million for dead money and we are up to about 118.4 million. Add in 6 million for dead money for the guys they release and they are at 124.4 million, probably exactly where the cap is going to be at. They got a big time relief of about 8 million with the Woodley and Timmons restructures due to roster bonuses built into the contract that can be converted to signing bonus and spread out over the remaining years.
-Woodley and Timmons can restructure, adding about 1 to 1.5 million to each of their cap numbers for the next 4-5 years or so.
-Suisham is no savings if cut really, and with 3 years on the deal he is likely to be back from what I read.
-Keisel coming back even though he is 34, again minimal savings if cut.
Didn't Woodley and Timmons just sign their new extensions?
Yes, and that is what makes them prime candidates for restructuring, with money not paid out yet that can be converted to signing bonus...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Excellector
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/01...ons-contracts/
LOL at the website blocking copying the text. Only in Pittsburgh SMH.
Reading all this stuff about the Steelers got me interested in the Ravens cap situation. I'm certainly no cap expert so I did a lot of digging through bmoreravor's columns, rotoworld, and spotrac to come up with these #'s.
QB:
Joe Flacco - 8,000,000 (No idea what his cap # is due to incentives)
Tyrod Taylor - 491,275
RB:
Ricky Williams - 1,575,000 (1.4m in incentives could increase this # if they're LTBE)
Anthony Allen - 477,500
Vonta Leach - 4,333,333
WR:
Anquan Boldin - 8,000,000
Lee Evans - 5,507,500 (The restructure makes this a bit confusing)
Torrey Smith - 765,725
David Reed - 584,667
Tandon Doss - 568,140
TE:
Ed Dickson - 760,833
Dennis Pitta - 663,667
OL:
Bryant McKinnie- 4,000,000
Marshal Yanda - 6,500,000
Michael Oher - 2,040,000
Jah Reid - 605,810
Ramon Harewood - 564,723
DL:
Haloti Ngata - 10,400,000
Terrence Cody - 820,000
Arthur Jones - 584,500
Pernell McPhee - 501,140
LB:
Terrell Suggs - 11,520,000
Ray Lewis - 6,850,000
Paul Kruger - 865,000
CB:
Jimmy Smith - 1,695,500
Chris Carr - 3,750,000
Domonique Foxworth - 8,600,000
Emanuel Cook - 540,000
Chykie Brown - 501,140
S:
Ed Reed - 8,500,000
Bernard Pollard - 2,585,000
S/T:
Billy Cundiff - 2,800,000
Sam Koch - 2,000,000
Dead Money:
Willis McGahee - 3,750,000
Kelly Gregg - 789,000
Total Value: 112,489,453
Restricted Free Agents:
Lardarius Webb
Cary Williams
Dannell Ellerbe
Danny Gorrer
Unrestricted Free Agents:
Ray Rice
Ben Grubbs
Matt Birk
Andre Gurode
Kris Wilson
Cory Redding
Jarret Johnson
Jameel McClain
Brendon Ayanbadejo
Brandon Mckinney
Haruki Nakamura
Tom Zbikowski
Exclusive Rights Free Agents: (I'm assuming all these guys are EFA's)
Morgan Cox
Sergio Kindle
Matt Lawrence
Justin Boren
Albert McClellan
Michael McAdoo
Chavis Williams
LaQuan Williams
* Cutting Foxworth and Evans should save us close to 10m against the cap
* If Ed Reed decides to Retire or gets released we would save another 7.2m.
* The projected 120m salary cap for 2012 could be closer to 130m for the Ravens if they used the loophole illustrated below by bmoreravor
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If the Ravens choose not to, or fail to, sign anyone to a contract extension by late November, they still have options with the surplus Cap space. As they (and many other teams) have done in the past, they can renegotiate some contracts by inserting "phony” incentives into those deals allowing them to carry any excess 2011 Salary Cap space over into 2012, thereby increasing their 2012 Cap space.
This loophole, which existed in the prior CBA, was not closed by the new CBA, so teams still have the ability to carry excess Salary Cap room from year to year. This is accomplished by renegotiating a contract (or contracts) during the season and writing in Not Likely To Be Earned (NLTBE) incentives.
Normally, NLTBE incentives do not count against the 2011 Cap, but – for some reason – the CBA says that they do if they are added during the season. As such, the full amount of those incentives immediately counts against the 2011 Cap, essentially eating up the excess Cap space. If unearned – and they would be written so that they would go unearned – the team receives a credit the following year for those unearned incentives. As such, that amount would be carried over into 2012 and would increase the team’s Cap space.
http://ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Mo...ound-cap-space
As long as they have Big Ben and the trio of young receivers they will remain competitive. They will probably cut some guys and then resign them for more cap-friendly deals. Nothing to see here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelFaninBMore
They may not keep Wallace, though. I could see a team giving up a first for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerhater