Plus I'm told he was 100% class and a nice, nice guy.
Plus I'm told he was 100% class and a nice, nice guy.
I was just wondering who do you think the Ravens should next induct into our Ring of Honor? It's already a guaranteed lock that Ogden will be inducted in just a few short years, and so will Stover and Ray Lewis when their finished with their playing days. But in my opinion, I think there are a number of players who are deserving and aren't in... Rob Burnett (who's been with the team since they moved from Cleveland and without a doubt one of the greatest DL's in Ravens history), Rod Woodson (1998-2001, 3 time Pro-Bowler with Baltimore), and arguably Tony Siragusa (1997-2001), Jamie Sharper (1997-2001), and Jermaine Lewis (1997-2002, 2 time Pro-Bowler). What about current players who are deserving and are near the ends of their careers? Mike Flynn? Edwin Mulitalo? Personally, I believe all these guys are deserving. Each played huge key parts with their years with the Ravens and each showed class, professionalism, certainly skill, and each of the requirements for the Ring. I know this is a long list, but c'mon, you gotta admit that each one of these guys are much much more deserving than Earnest Byner.
Mike Flynn? LOL. Then your standards are way too low. Don't talk to me about Byner, that was just a mistake.Quote:
Mike Flynn? Edwin Mulitalo? Personally, I believe all these guys are deserving.
Ray, JO and Stover are locks. Ed Reed and CMac will get there too. Others currently on the team have a ways to go.
The only guy not on the roster who has a chance is Jamal, and right now he's 50-50.
Why not Mike Flynn? I know he's never been ranked as one of the elite Centers or Right Guards, but he's been more than solid since he's started. Besides Ogden, he's been the longest lasting Ravens offensive lineman. I don't think my standards are low. I'm not sure about Jamal though...one of the requirements for the Ring is "Character" and "Humility". From what Ravens fans have seen and heard since he's left is his crying about not getting enough carries, publicly questioning Billick, and leaving with a "sour taste in his mouth". Of course he was a great RB, the greatest in Ravens history. But it takes more than talent to get in. It also takes class and the rest of what is required for the Ring. Maybe in a couple years when Jamal's retired and if (IF) he makes up with the Ravens organization, then yeah, I can see him getting in. But as of now, then definately not. So I agree with you, he's 50-50. But I don't think that I'm the only one who wouldn't mind having Flynn's name around the top of M&T.
Flynn has been a decent performer, pretty reliable but only average.
Or, do you want it to be the "Ring of Adequate"?
Oh yeah, I would LOVE for it to be changed to the Ring of Adequate. I'd say Tony Pashos should be inducted this year! Of course I, nor any Ravens fan want it to be the Ring of Adequate. But Mike Flynn has been more than adequate and more than "decent". Do you think Jamal (who you yourself said could be inducted) would have rushed for over 2,000 yards without Flynn? Do you think he would have broken pretty much every Ravens rushing record? Like I said, I know Flynn will never be confused for a Pro-Bowler or Hall of Famer. Yeah you're right. But he's been KEY to the Ravens offense for over a decade now. Would you rather have Rabach starting?
Sure, Flynn is a lock. So is Travis Taylor- he was a good guy- humble and nice. How about Kyle Richardson? I would vote for Anthony Weaver and Will Demps too.
I want to ask you one thing. Where would we be without Mike Flynn?
I appreciate you agreeing that Flynn should be in...but Travis Taylor? Weaver? Demps? Taylor has been probably the most inaccurate WR we've ever had. Sure he made amazing catches at times, but on the very next play, he could have dropped a hand-off. Demps also dropped almost everything thrown his way. He was a solid defender, sure. But he made too many mistakes and costly penalties. Weaver was solid for sure. I've always liked him, but I don't think he's Ring of Honor worthy to have his name up there with Peter Boulware, Michael McCrary, and the rest.
If we induct players at the rate some of the cats want to our "Ring of Honor" will need a "Continued in the next stadium" in about 3 years as we run out of room.
MAYBE Jamal, but nobody else from gone players.
CMac, Reed, Heap, these guys are on their way to earning their way up there.
Id say Lewis, Ogden, Stover. I wouldnt say Billick has earned to be up there just yet.
Heap, Reed, McAllister are pretty close to making the list.
Suggs and Clayton eventually assuming they stay with the Ravens.
I didn't mean inducting them all at the same time, or in the same year. If you haven't noticed, the names of the inductees around the stadium are pretty small. So I think there's room for about 5 others. Heap and Reed are definately getting there. I'm not so sure about McAlister. I believe he should be in, but I'm not sure if the team will actually induct him after being labeled "immature" off the field and being a handful. But I think everyone can tell he's grown up alot and I really do hope he gets in. Besides Deion, Chris McAlister has been my favorite CB.
Did someone say Clayton?
What in the world is going on here.
First of all, Jamal is in. People saying Flynn over a guy like Jamal? And yes, Jamal would've had 2000 yds without Flynn. You know why? Because an average center is what he was then.
Ray/Ogden/Stover/Jamal are locks.
Jamal carried this offense for years people. He had 1300 yds in his rookie year on route to a SB win.
He had a 2000 yd season and was relied upon when we had jokes at QB and WR.
Ogden/Ray/Stover. No need to explain why they are in.
Reed/Heap/Cmac are the only other 3 on this roster who should be mentioned in this conversation?
Cmon people. We love our own guys. I get it. But let's stop going overboard here.
The next one will be a hard choice for the Ravens.
So many players are getting close to the end that deserve to be up there.
jburns, LOL. Obviously, humor does not translate well into writing. You need some sort of seltzer bottle emoticon. I'm actually surprised no one commented on the "where would we be without Mike Flynn?" question. Well certainly there would have been many more delay of game penalties without a center to snap the ball, and it would have left a large hole in the center of the line that would have impacted both passing and running plays.
What will determine who makes the Ring of Honor is the pace of induction. If the Ring of Honor is delivered only like a retired number in baeball, then we should take 50 years or more with a name every 5-10 years.
If, however, it is treated like the Orioles Hall of Fame, then it will be the Ring of Adequate. Such Oriole greats as Doug Decinces, Dennis Martinez, Hal Brown, Dick Hall, and Gene Woodling have already been inducted, as has Bob Brown (a tremendously nice guy who was traveling secretary for the Orioles for a number of years).
Sadly, I think the large empty concrete lip already induced Art M. to make a below-the-line induction. I'm hoping the new management will take the longer view.
WOW!! some of these names make NO SENSE!!
Ray, JO, and Stover will all be there. The biggest name in the end should be Ozzie Newsome! He is the one who brought in our draft picks that turn into Pro-bowlers!! Reed, Heap, Mac, Suggs.....etc. These are the same names that will probably go up in the end as well.
DEFINATELY Ozzie Newsome. No doubt. Now, I started this to ask opinions of who deserves to be in the Ring of Honor. So far, it's all been blasting "Mike Flynn? Are you serious?" I never said he IS getting in. It's just my personal opinion that if he made it, I would support it. He's a blue-collar workhorse who's been an important and solid contributor year after year after year. Since 1997. I said earlier that no Ravens fan wants it to be the "Ring of Adequate". Filmstudy made a good point with the O's. Yeah, there's alot of guys deserving. I think Woodson and Burnett and Siragusa are more deserving right now for the Ring than anyone. Especially Jamal (only because of the off-field issues). But I think by the time the Ravens are wearing "XX" on their jersey's celebrating their 20th Anniversary, M&T will have the names of Newsome, Billick, Ogden, Stover, R. Lewis, Heap, Woodson, Reed, McAlister, Burnett, and Siragusa. The only reason why I leave Suggs off is because he could be gone after this year and he's only what, 25 years old? Now if he stays here for a longterm deal, then that's a different story. I just don't see why everyone's making such a big stink about having alot of Ravens inducted into our Ring of Honor. Isn't that suppose to be a GOOD thing? And I don't think the Ravens are gonna be allowing guys in left and right. The only mistake they've made, and I can GUARANTEE that pretty much every single Ravens fan agrees with me on this, is having Earnest Byner up there. But these guys I've listed are deserving. It's a GOOD thing we've had classy and talented Ravens throughout our history.
Which current or former Ravens should be in the Ring of Honor that aren't..
Here are mine:
On the Bubble includes: Kelly Gregg.