In this conversation (which comes up ofter) the state needs to only have a say over civil unions. Anyone can have one that way every one has equal treatment, but as far as a marriage just keep it separate and have the state not recognize it at all so churches/religions can be happy about it.
Again, I have no dog in this hunt, not religious in the slightest, not gay, not anti-gay.
I too believe this to be the solution, and if it turns out to "not be good enough" then tough shit.
Because, as mentioned in another post, if this ISNT good enough, then it is an attempt to force the government to coerce the public into sanction something they may not believe in.
Equal treatment under the law is quite fine with me, but I will also include polygamy in the same discussion, from my perspective, they are equal.
I don't think my reading of that is unfair. And he was actually responding to my assertion that perhaps marriage should be relegated to just being a religious institution - -which makes your equal treatment under the law statement irrelevant.Quote:
"But that is not entirely the case. When these discussions come up, generally Gay people still feel slighted by the term "Civil Union" even if it includes all benefits of marriage but those embedded by the "public" at large and churches. Gay people want to feel like everyone else, and have it be accepted by everyone else, including churches, or at least that is the presumption I come across from these discussions. "
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As I said above, I don't think the state should be in the business of sanctioning an essentially religious ceremony and awarding benefits through preferential tax treatment, etc. I have friends and family who are gay too. I don't have anything against people who are. I do think the government sticks its nose in far too many areas however and when it does it tends to enforce the will of those who are the most vocal at the expense of those who are not. Any industry lobbyist is a prime example.
Ted Cruz was just on Leno and was tearing it up with that Hollywood audience shockingly cheering him on every point.
One point he said was there has to be health care reform but take it out of the bureaucrats hands and empower the people. Then he said it was the battle between the parties' leaders in congress messing things up. More applause except from Leno.
Megan Kelly had someone on from townhall.com who said the website cost the gov't half a million dollars and people can't get coverage. Over 52M have lost coverage from companies dropping them because they can't afford it which is what we said would happen during the debate.
One insurance expert said the law won't collapse but will be totally useless.
Vince Vaugh, the famous actor, just came out and said he was Conservative. He better watch out because he'll be blackballed just like Jennifer O'Neil was when she became a Christian and speaks out vs abortion. She had one when she was 19. She became a Christian after she accidently shot herself and was in the hospital and there was a Bible in the room and she started reading it.