It's the same thing Tony is talking about. We go to the Ravens games or turn on the TV to watch them play football, not to have a politically divisive issue promoted to us via taxpayer money.
Exactly Tony's point.
I didn't say you don't like coming here to talk football.
I said "You don't like coming to talk football, and end up reading about Tony's political views?"
If that is an accurate assumption, than what I am doing is showing that the same thing you're saying you don't like (coming to talk football and end up reading Tony's political commentary), is the same thing why people are saying they don't like the Ravens promoting this issue. They watch their games to watch football not watch football AND end up having a politically divisive issue promoted to them.
Does that make sense?
And I can't help but point out again, this entire thread, the back and forth and divisive nature the topic generates speaks directly to Tony's point -- football and politics don't mix!
When I was 21, my Dad gave me a single instruction as to how to tend bar at his restaurant: never, ever discuss race, religion, or politics with the patrons. Steve Bisciottii is a great guy, but he should have followed the same advice.
Really dumb-fuck move by the Ravens to accept $140,000 to support an unpopular law. The subject of socialized medicine does not have anything to do with the Ravens.
Let me ask you this: Remember the bills passed by the Maryland legislature & signed into law by the Governor to make hand-held cell phone use and texting illegal while operating a motor vehicle?
Sounds a little ludicrous, I know.--why would they need the Ravens' help?Quote:
Suppose the state government had asked the Ravens to participate in a publicity campaign to help make sure their fans understood that this was now the law? Would that have been wrong?
Yeah, that sounds ludicrous too--but you see where I'm going.Quote:
But suppose "opinion pieces" appeared on radio & TV encouraging people to keep on phoning & texting because the law was unenforceable & in fact was unconstitutional & wouldn't survive a court challenge & if you did get charged & fined you should be angry at the politicians for passing the law. Suppose they gave air time to consultants who said the law wouldn't prevent accidents anyway because phoning & texting didn't make driving less safe. Suppose local TV was interviewing salesmen or contractors complaining that not being able to use their phones on the road was ruining their business. And suppose the legislature had refused to appropriate any funds for informing people about the new law.
The ACA provides for health insurance exchanges where anyone without employer-provided health insurance can shop for a policy among those offered by companies who voluntarily participate in the program. Subsidies are available to many who make too little to afford coverage. And after all that, if you refuse to get health insurance, you will be subject to a tax (call it a fine if you want).
Why wouldn't it be a good thing for people to know that? Why wouldn't it be a good thing for people to know what website to visit or what number to call in order to see what this law means for them & their families? Even if they're politically opposed to the current Administration?
It certainly wouldn't be a good thing for those powerful forces (all with gold-plated health care themselves, no doubt) who want to see the program fail as a way of striking back against an Administration they despise. Those are the forces doing their damnedest to keep this program--which is the law of the land until & unless repealed--"politically divisive." Because they're afraid it will work--& in the process smash the carefully nurtured "gubmint is never the solution, always the problem" meme they spout 24/7 to smithereens.
Frankly, anyone who tries to frighten hard-pressed American workers & families away from even exploring those options, when the options would benefit so many of them, is certainly no friend of theirs. Despicable is the term I'd use.
I would not be at all surprised if at least half of the folks here who are so vociferous in their opposition to "Obamacare" found it personally advantageous to them & their families, once they examine their options. And if the Ravens' participation in this public awareness campaign--for which the $130K probably doesn't even cover their expenses--moves even a few of you to do so, it's all to the good. (Because, whether you believe it or not, those of us on what passes for the Left in this country don't hate you folks far to starboard--we're mostly frustrated at how you're lied to repeatedly & continually by forces that do not have your interests at heart, & how you let them get away with it again & again & again...)
C'mon, people, what are you afraid of?
Are you aware that of the 50% of those surveyed who opposed the ACA, 12% opposed it because it didn't go far enough? I was one of them for awhile--I wanted single-payer, period--but I now support the law because I think it's the best we could have gotten & will do a lot of good.Quote:
to support an unpopular law.
You are woefully misinformed--the ACA is not anything close to "socialized medicine." The policies available on the exchanges are for the most part offered by private insurance companies & are priced in competition with one another--free-market capitalism at its finest.Quote:
The subject of socialized medicine does not have anything to do with the Ravens.
Again, this isn't about the merits of the ACA.
This thread, with every post arguing the pros and cons, is exactly why politics don't belong anywhere near professional sports.
With each post, Tony's point is unmistakably proven.
You'll have to forgive Lob, he's obviously a hypocrite of the highest order. When Harbaugh says he's a Christian, Lob gets his dander up saying Harbaugh shouldn't be allowed to express his opinion because he--Lob-- doesn't agree with it. While the rest of us think the Ravens made a mistake in openly supporting the law because it is a polarizing subject, we respect Biscotti's right to do so.
And of course Lob supported single-payer insurance. Being too lazy to work and support your family so you steal money from people who actually work? That's what I call despicable.