And say what you will about the difference between Brown and Newsome, but Marvin had a real NFL QB to work with. Billick did all that without the benefit of one. One of Billick's below-.500 years was 2002 when we went 7-9, and I think that was his most impressive coaching performance. That was after the Great Purge, and most people thought we would be lucky to win four games that year.
I just thought justifythegame's belief that Lewis is "garbage" was too strong. Of course, this is all a matter of opinion, but, to me, Jim Schwartz is "garbage". I think Lewis is, currently, a solidly average HC. With a better FO and general organization around him, I think he could be "Jeff Fisher" good. If you think Jeff Fisher is any good, that is.
As a complete side note: after finishing 5-11, firing the coach and hiring a completely off-the-radar HC candidate, McNair retiring, and drafting a 1AA QB, most people thought the Ravens would be lucky to win four games in 2008 (I saved the articles from the internet using "Print-To-File" - I have them saved!!!). After Harbaugh takes them to the AFC Championship game that year, all I heard about is what a stacked team Harbaugh took over, from some of the same writers who were calling that team a dumpster fire before the 2008 season started.
It's tough for Ravens fans to understand just how horrible the ownership of the Bengals is because we've never seen anything close to it. Imagine the Owner being the GM, his best friend running scouting for decades, his daughter and her husband being responsible for all the players contracts. Mike Brown once said in an interview that air conditioning ruined this country because it made everyone soft. This is coming from someone who grew up with a famous head coach for a father and always had a job with the family business. Brown is a moron and complete loser. The only thing he shares with his father is the family name. Hopefully those genes skipped generation and his daughter will be a lot better for the Bengals fans.
Lived in Baltimore then before moving back to Youngstown. Visited Grams Petard in Struthers, and bet her $1.00 (about 2 months worth of my allowance!!!) that the BALTIMORE Colts would beat the Brownies. She took the action, but not my money. Compassionate woman, she!
I still weep thinking about watching that game...:(
While his tenure was not as bad statistically, I can't think of a worse owner in the history of the NFL. Not because he wanted to better himself and his football team, but because of the way he went about it. Baltimore went 16 years without a winning season, including the 12 we had no NFL team at all.
As for Brown, I agree with you.
They have Skyline chili
They have had, have, will have issues, but I never look past the Bengals, especially when in their [apparently] customary game 16 post position vs. the Ravens