I understand changes that occur on the ground and within the hours after the attack.
But that's not what happened here. Changes in talking points, event details, etc occurred at a much higher level some 60+ hours after the attack AND after 90% of the info was already collected.
Take a look at the email exchanges between the Director and the WH. It's very clear these are not SitRep changes. These are politically motivated changes.
The thing that gets under my skin is people who say what we could've done DURING the attack. That's something I'm fully well verse in.
And this is well beyond GOP talking points.
I'm no fan of the GOP either, but this is a real scandal at this point.
Lots of folks comparing this to Watergate (or at least how the information has come out).
This combined with Fast and Furious could be really damaging to the administration.
My question to the Obama administration would be...Was all this really necessary? Had they just been up front with what happen initially this probably wouldn't still be an issue. Take credit for what happen and what calls were or weren't made, give your reasons why...but remind the American people that is was an attack by terrorists and they'll the bad guys. Then vow to ensure the safety of all diplomats world wide. Done. Case closed.
This whole cover-up or misdirection or whatever the hell their calling it just keeps growing. The WH has only given more fuel to the GOP. The democrats can kiss the mid term elections goodbye.
Was all this really worth it?
One thing you cannot disagree with is that knowing how long we had to get there in hindsight has no bearing on the discussion.
I feel like I may have come across as a prick earlier in this thread. I want to apologize for that. It's just that I take my job seriously and am very passionate about it. Hearing people say we could have done X, Y or Z to save those 4 lives....kinds feels like they're saying I didn't do my job that night. I know its not directed at me, but rather people higher on the totem pole, but still its makes me feel uneasy. I can tell you a lot of people at AFRICOM feel the same way.
I was wrong it was fast and furious, not the Benghazi incident, that he gave the same response about:
"There have been problems, you know. I heard on the news about this story that - - fast and furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico and ATF knew about it but didn't apprehend those who had sent it."
Real quick to pass the buck.
It's the fourth time he's pulled the "I learned it on the news" excuse. Another gem from John Stewart ....
And I don't buy the whole excuse about troops would not have made it in time.
Two people died right away in the initial attack. That's when the help calls first went out. It was a full seven hours until the last two people died.
So State knew people were still alive when they heard of the attack yet someone told the military to stand down. They had no idea if the attack was over or not since the embassy was a blaze. Seems reasonable to me you get troops started that way to save the lives of those still remaining.
Having been in the Navy, I can tell you first hand that we can dispatch jets in a short period of time. Would it have done anything? Who knows, but a couple of fighters flying overhead dropping some hardware may have scared them off and saved some lives in the process.
They'll launch a shit load of Tomahawks into Libya from the Med when they want to take out Qadaffi...
Just saying...something doesnt add up.
Oh, and I can also state with 100% confidence that the President does not find shit out from the news.
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“I wouldn’t be surprised if President Obama learned Osama bin Laden had been killed when he saw himself announce it on television."
Now I'm in no position to make a judgment on this, but 7 hours seems like an awfully long time.
Dade, what do you think about that time frame?
I've seen fighters launched within 5 minutes of notification. But they were sitting alert. At the time, we didn't have anything on alert.
The biggest problem with AFRICOM is that we have no assigned forces. So anytime we want to do something be it short notice or not, we have to request support from the DOD (RFF). Even the smallest of operations have to be precoordinated. If we had assigned forces we could respond more quickly. Just task an unit. Of have units tasked to stand alert for certain areas of Africa. Or preposition forces. Nope we can't do anything like that.
Ditto about the President. He ain't fooling anybody with that.
And so the plot thickens...
This just gets messier.
House oversight committee to subpoena State Dept.
Nothing serious will come of this. Hell, the administration is wire-tapping and reading the press' own e-mail and still they do nothing but continue to be subservient to and a mouthpiece of the administration.Quote:
The talking points have become a political flashpoint in a long-running battle between the administration and Republicans, who accuse it of not bolstering security before the attack, of botching the response to it and of misleading the public for political gain less than two months before the November election.
They don't want to risk being taken off the guest list of that next cocktail party, you know.