Both still came back too soon due to team/fan pressure and were never the same.
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Anyway...from the horses mouth...
As for Grant Hill...Quote:
Still, Arenas to some degree blames the club for his failed comebacks over the past two seasons, saying he was given too much power over his own situation.
“They handled me going off what they had seen before and said, ‘You can’t lift weights because you might chip a bone,’ ” Arenas said. “That’s their experience. Everybody has theirs. It took me two years to realize that I was a case study. Ultimately, I can prove I can get hurt, sit out two years and come back and be as good as I was.
“If you have a kid that loves basketball, that eats, sleeps, drinks and thinks basketball and all he knows is basketball and he gets hurt and he’s your franchise player, you need to hold him back from himself,” Arenas said. “If I’m saying I feel good and you know it’s supposed to take six months, instead of letting me at four months run … they should have held me back. Rather than saying, ‘Let’s let this guy do what he wants and use him to sell tickets’ - sometimes you have to protect players from themselves. I don’t feel like I got that type of protection. But, I don’t judge them for that. Some things just happen. I told them I felt OK because I wanted to play, and they did what they did.”
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It's Rose's career, his future, his body. If he doesn't feel right, regardless of what team doctors say...a team that has a reputation of overworking and pushing it's players to the limit...he shouldn't play.Quote:
Toward the end of that season, Hill’s ankle started bothering him. The Pistons’ trainers treated it and Hill continued playing, but the ankle kept getting worse. After he pulled himself from a game, the team’s doctors assured him that it was merely a bone bruise. Hill sat out the last few games of the regular season, amid criticism that he was worried about jeopardizing his free-agent payday. He returned for the playoffs, but in his second game he felt a “pop” in his ankle. Hill couldn’t go on. The ankle was diagnosed as broken. He underwent surgery four days later.
The story might still have ended happily. In August 2000, three months after his ankle surgery, the Orlando Magic signed Hill to a seven-year, $93 million deal. In September, Orlando cleared him to scrimmage against his new teammates. “I’m going against guys on the Magic that six months earlier I averaged 40 points against,” Hill said. “And I’m not feeling right.”
Hill had four more surgeries and was never right again. He had a long career as a journeyman but he never was the same player again. Not close.
The Magic had made a mistake, pushing Hill back onto the court before his ankle had fully healed. But Hill had made a mistake, too, deferring to the judgment of the team’s doctors and ignoring his own instincts. He stayed in the NBA — he may retire this summer, at 40, after spending the season with the Los Angeles Clippers — but he never played with the same confidence again. “If I had sat out for a whole season, who knows what would have happened?” Hill said.
It wouldn't be so bad if the depth behind him wasn't hurt too. Honestly the Bulls aren't going to win this series anyway so I guess he may as well stay in a suit, but could you imagine Ray Lewis doing that? It's totally lame IMO
I get that Rose is medically cleared to play but I think he truly doubts if he can play at the elite level he was at.
For a 25 year old that has been the best player on the floor for virtually all his life and then doubt that he can be that good again is devastating. Rose may honestly need to see a shrink to help him through this mental block/fear that he'll just be good rather than great. I know, the question is why doesn't he just try and play and see but that's easier said than done for someone who's probably never faced adversity.
The Bulls are being stupid thinking that they can bully and annoy the Heat. Just play fucking basketball and go out on your shield but not like some thugs.
I am losing a ton of respect for Noah because he's acting like a little bitch. If I were Spo I would send in Pittman (is he still on the team) and body block Noah just to shut him up.
The Heat of 2 years ago you might have been able to intimidate but not today.
So pissed OKC traded Harden and didn't keep him and amnesty Kendrick Perkins.
Yeah Harden was money for them. Go Griz!
According to Bill Simmons (so take it or leave it, and I don't blame you if you leave it), Rose is not suiting up because he is super-worried about being another Gilbert Arenas.
Gilbert came back too fast from ACL surgery and was never the same afterward. Granted, Gilbert was/is also a headcase, but general consensus in the NBA is (again, according to Simmons) that Gilbert effed up a great career by coming back too soon from a serious injury.
He caved in to the pressures all around him--fans, media, ... know-nothings on message boards:nerd:--and returned before he was ready. Simmons says every player with a bad injury now looks to Gilbert as sort of a warning.
Besides, ESPN said the Bulls brass would have to approve Rose's coming back in the playoffs. So, the powers that be don't seem to be rushing him, for whatever that's worth.
Looks like the Heat is way too much for Chicago. Should be a good 2nd game though. Last year this game was the same setup between the same two teams and went to triple OT. Hoping for a regulation win by the Griz tonight.
Miami literally sleep walks through these games... wish the OKC/Memphis game was the early one. I just can't make it to the end
You people still aren't watching this?
I hate The heat
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Frank Vogel deserves to be flogged when he returns to Indianapolis.
What a horrible decision to take Hibbert out.