Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
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s.r.genovese
Not every player wants to take an early deal. Look at Cary Williams. And for good reason a lot of times: Cary is going to make a lot more money than his offer last year. It's a risk to hold out for free agency but often it's worth it for a lot of players.
And on the other hand, signing guys early is great but it also sets you up for holdouts when players realize that they are out-playing their deals. For example is Flacco signed a deal last year that averaged him 10-13 mil a year and then he had the exact same season this year, wins a Super Bowl, and maybe another Super Bowl in a year; you really think he's going to be happy being EXTREMELY underpaid in relation to his prodcution? That's how holdouts occur. Sooner or later you have to pay a guy what he is worth.
It's a two way street really, it's not as easy as just saying "ok now I'm going to sign guys early."
I get what you're saying but I'm not sure the Cary situation is comparable. They offered him a deal and told him take it or leave it; he left it. The same isn't true for Flacco... they were engaged in serious contract talks and there are indications that they were close to a deal at one point late last summer.
I'm not saying a deal definitely would have happened if they pushed harder... we don't know enough to conclude that. But Ozzie's MO over the last few years has been to not pursue extensions before a player's walk year. He broke that mold with Webb and I'd like to see that happen more often.
Don't buy the argument about holdouts. They're a bad idea--which is why they're pretty rare. They're especially rare for quarterbacks. And I don't think NFL GMs worry all that much about structuring contracts in anticipation of avoiding holdouts.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Joe is gonna get paid. If he has a good SB (win or lose), he has even more bargaining power. IMO the FO is pretty much convinced that Joe is their franchise QB and are going to pay him. They are on the weak side of the bargaining table with this one.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
I wonder if this is the same "source" that said Rice wanted AP type money last offseason.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
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Originally Posted by
bmorecareful
I get what you're saying but I'm not sure the Cary situation is comparable. They offered him a deal and told him take it or leave it; he left it. The same isn't true for Flacco... they were engaged in serious contract talks and there are indications that they were close to a deal at one point late last summer.
I'm not saying a deal definitely would have happened if they pushed harder... we don't know enough to conclude that. But Ozzie's MO over the last few years has been to not pursue extensions before a player's walk year. He broke that mold with Webb and I'd like to see that happen more often.
Don't buy the argument about holdouts. They're a bad idea--which is why they're pretty rare. They're especially rare for quarterbacks. And I don't think NFL GMs worry all that much about structuring contracts in anticipation of avoiding holdouts.
The Cary Williams situation is comparable to most position players, which, going forward are going to be the people that are up for early extensions. I don't think the Webb deal is any different; intrinsicly, I'm sure he had a "take it or leave it" deal as well. He just took his.
And the Webb deal is actually a good example of the dangers of early extensions. Now, we all hope and expect him to come back stronger than ever from his ACL injury. But what if he doesn't? What if his ACL injury hampers him in the same way the Foxworth or dozens of other players haven't recovered fully from ACL injuries? Injuries can happen any time but instead of waiting out his 4 year rookie contract, the Ravens may be faced with paying a guy 55 mil who can't play.
The fact is that sometimes 1-2 years is enough to determine if a guy is going to be a good player in the future but a lot of times it simply isn't.
And most times players are going to get more money on the open market so a lot of guys, like Cary Williams, are willing to wait it out and get the fat payday. Like I said, it's a two way street. That's why the players fought so hard in 1990 for free agency, it's why the sacrificed game checks in their player strike to get free agency. They want to get that big pay day and that only comes when you have competition for your services.
Has Ozzie's contract strategy led to the Ravens NOT being able to sign any of their key targets?
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
The only logical answer is to trade Joe to Cincinnati and let Mike Brown spend some of that money he has been holding onto for decades.
(I say this in jest, friends) I would love to see Flacco airing it out to AJ Green though.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
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CincyCat
The only logical answer is to trade Joe to Cincinnati and let Mike Brown spend some of that money he has been holding onto for decades.
(I say this in jest, friends) I would love to see Flacco airing it out to AJ Green though.
I really don't think you guys need a QB. The one you have is gonna be a good one.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
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Paintballguy
Well you could see that if you trade us AJ green. :p
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Well played...well played :)
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lowrider
I really don't think you guys need a QB. The one you have is gonna be a good one.
It's nice to hear someone say that. Andy improved in every category this year but I just found out he was sacked 22 more times than his rookie season. People here are banging on him pretty hard.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
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CincyCat
It's nice to hear someone say that. Andy improved in every category this year but I just found out he was sacked 22 more times than his rookie season. People here are banging on him pretty hard.
People are gonna bang on him. Just ask Joe. They've been banging on him for 5 years. He has gotten much more love since this playoff run has begun. I like the way AD handles himself. He's a fighter, you can tell that, and if he keeps fighting he will get his props.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
Ozzie's $4 million/year mistake will cost a number of decent players.
Re: Flacco asking for Brees type money
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Mista T
Ozzie's $4 million/year mistake will cost a number of decent players.
Really not a mistake. Had they did a deal like that it would have been renegotiated and then it would have cost even more, or we would have a pissed off QB who would be looking for the door.