To be honest, I don't really understand the desire for $20 million per year on Flacco's part. First of all, when you are talking net worth in the 8 figures, how much difference does a few more make? Wouldn't you be happier with a little less money on a better team. What if Bisciotti says "Sure Joe, we'll pay up. But tomorrow we are cutting Yanda and Boldin to get under the cap. We can't bring in any o-line help so Oher and Jah Reid will be your tackles next year." Wouldn't you rather have a little less money but have a better chance at multiple rings and not get sacked 50+ times a year?
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It's a relative number and the fact we are hearing about it means the number was leaked.
He won't get $20 Million and I doubt he or is agent believe he will.
It's still all negotiation ploys, nothing more.
And on the other hand, signing guys early is great but it also sets you up for holdouts when players realize that they are out-playing their deals. For example is Flacco signed a deal last year that averaged him 10-13 mil a year and then he had the exact same season this year, wins a Super Bowl, and maybe another Super Bowl in a year; you really think he's going to be happy being EXTREMELY underpaid in relation to his prodcution? That's how holdouts occur. Sooner or later you have to pay a guy what he is worth.
It's a two way street really, it's not as easy as just saying "ok now I'm going to sign guys early."
I'm not saying a deal definitely would have happened if they pushed harder... we don't know enough to conclude that. But Ozzie's MO over the last few years has been to not pursue extensions before a player's walk year. He broke that mold with Webb and I'd like to see that happen more often.
Don't buy the argument about holdouts. They're a bad idea--which is why they're pretty rare. They're especially rare for quarterbacks. And I don't think NFL GMs worry all that much about structuring contracts in anticipation of avoiding holdouts.
Joe is gonna get paid. If he has a good SB (win or lose), he has even more bargaining power. IMO the FO is pretty much convinced that Joe is their franchise QB and are going to pay him. They are on the weak side of the bargaining table with this one.
I wonder if this is the same "source" that said Rice wanted AP type money last offseason.
And the Webb deal is actually a good example of the dangers of early extensions. Now, we all hope and expect him to come back stronger than ever from his ACL injury. But what if he doesn't? What if his ACL injury hampers him in the same way the Foxworth or dozens of other players haven't recovered fully from ACL injuries? Injuries can happen any time but instead of waiting out his 4 year rookie contract, the Ravens may be faced with paying a guy 55 mil who can't play.
The fact is that sometimes 1-2 years is enough to determine if a guy is going to be a good player in the future but a lot of times it simply isn't.
And most times players are going to get more money on the open market so a lot of guys, like Cary Williams, are willing to wait it out and get the fat payday. Like I said, it's a two way street. That's why the players fought so hard in 1990 for free agency, it's why the sacrificed game checks in their player strike to get free agency. They want to get that big pay day and that only comes when you have competition for your services.
Has Ozzie's contract strategy led to the Ravens NOT being able to sign any of their key targets?
With Cary Williams I can see his argument for holding out for free agency -- he's a role player here but could be paid like a star elsewhere. With Flacco the team is going to be built around him -- why would you want $20 mill per year to go 5-11 in Jacksonville?
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The only logical answer is to trade Joe to Cincinnati and let Mike Brown spend some of that money he has been holding onto for decades.
(I say this in jest, friends) I would love to see Flacco airing it out to AJ Green though.
Ozzie's $4 million/year mistake will cost a number of decent players.
Maurice Jones-Drew's holdout has cost him a huge amount of money. He basically wasted 2 years of his prime whining about his contract and now he's 2 years older at a position where age is kind of a problem. Vincent Jackson didn't get a new contract until San Diego made him play out his whole deal. And so on and so on...
Worst case scenario would probably be the QB skipping offseason workouts but even that would be stupid. QBs get paid because they win and post good stats, how can you do that when you're sitting at home on your hands while your teammates get better? It's just not something that makes any sense.
Does Joe strike you as the kind of guy who would sign a deal for 17 million a year, then hold out 2 years later because he decides he doesn't actually like the contract he signed? I just don't see that happening.
Also, Clayton is speculating what Flacco "MIGHT" ask for...The Ravens were already interested in giving him close to $16-17 mill per year (rumored number was $96 mill over 6 years). So, it isn't a stretch to think that Flacco could see that number rise.
I'd also like to remind everyone about the number of media pundits who claimed that Rice was looking to get an Adrian Peterson-esque deal.
The reality is the media knows jack squat until it happens.