(And I for one HAVE made the argument that the inconsistency was because of Cameron, not Joe And that Joe accomplished what he did DESPITE Cameron, and a definite lack of true elite talent around him.)
I do think there is a reasonable middle ground that gets Flacco the pay-day he's earned, and gives the Ravens room to operate under the cap for the next 5 years. Now, if he gets hurt or totally regresses, the Ravens are screwed, but that is their risk, not Flacco's.
The Ravens asking for the home-team discount is possible...as is Flacco asking for all the money up-front, cap implications be damned. I don't see either as likely (i hope).
Don't pay much attention to RavensRule (Joe Linta) he puts Flacco before the team.
What GM WOULDN'T pay Suggs and Ngata at the time? They earned those contracts just as Flacco has earned the contract he's about to get, stop whining about re-signing elite players, we wouldn't have had this success without them.
I think Flacco deserves a top 3 deal, not sure about the highest paid QB ever, that's too much of a stretch.
Flacco and his agent are not going to give a discount on the former (nor should they) and I don't think the Ravens will have a problem cutting a check....but their should be (I hope) enough mutual interest to negotiate the latter.
Suggs and Ngata weren't asking for over 20 million a year either rofl
Its going to be a huge huge challenge for the FO.
He is only in his fifth year and already setting records. He hasn't entered his prime yet and he's already talked about as one of the best in the league. He's 6, count em', 6 years younger than Brees, and that's nothing compared to Brady and Manning.
Who wouldn't want to be Joe Linta right now?
The Ravens have waited and waited for their franchise QB, hitting and missing on several occasions. He may not be the first guy. Then again, he may very well be the first guy in some arguments. However, the Ravens finally get their franchise QB and he's the one that gets old Oz by the balls in negotiating. There is absolutely no way for Ozzie to escape paying him $20 million a year without losing him and crippling the franchise.
Guy, can we please keep all of these in 1 thread? Seriously we don't need to, 3, 4 different thread on the same thing. We already have a Joe Flacco contract thread.
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20 million at the maximum, we can't afford to pay anymore than that, no player on this earth deserves more than 20 million a year in the NFL. Even if itw as Joe Montana in his prime, paying him more than 20 million would cripple a franchise.
All we can do is hope Joe is willing to to meet in the middle. But he did decline a very reasonable offer and his agent is now campaigning for him to be the highest paid quarterback :eyes:
Flacco can name his price up to whatever the exclusive rights franchise tag is. That's 20 and a little change I believe. He will get whatever he wants up to and including that.
If the Ravens offer less than that Flacco will never accept. Then they'll need to apply the tag, take the 20m cap hit, and keep him under control for a year. They'll be essentially betting that he won't perform at the level of his past 4 games in 2013. Oh, and by the way, Ozzie will have to totally gut the team to fit under the 2013 cap, and won't be able to sign a single free agent.
The non-exclusive tag is not an option. There are 10-15 teams in the league that will trip over themselves to give up 2 first rounders for Flacco, and many of them have more than enough cap space to give him what he wants. Then, the Ravens would be in the same problem they're already in: give him what he wants or lose him. They would need to fold again and match the offer.
So, the bottom line is that the Ravens have to give him whatever he pleases or watch him walk and take the team's playoff chances for the next few years with him. It's very interesting; Ozzie has never been in this position. He's completely powerless and gets to choose taking his medicine now or waiting until the last minute (as usual) and gutting the entire team along the way.
The FO must absolutely be kicking themselves for not paying Flacco what he wanted last August. Obviously that's outcome bias, but he had them over a barrel then and they chose to bet against him and they lost huge. They won't be able to do that again.
Is there any way we can at least backload Joe's salary (at least for the first two years) but give him a Ray Rice type signing bonus (obviously a the QB payscale)?
I'm not very clued-on regarding to how the cap works so please excuse me. :)
I'd take the top 5 QB's average out their per yer amount and offer him that.
You could debate whether the other QB's have better weapons or if they make the weapons better. But with looks like a decline on the defensive side of the ball, Joe is going to have to but up better numbers for this team to continue to win. I know his agent is starting at the top and doing what he has to to get his client paid, but Joe should not be paid more than the top, IMO.