I thought the thread had nothing to do with the way he played...
So, I reiterate. Has Qadry Ishmail outplayed Boldin? Or are we only to judge QBs on team success?
I like Joe.
I like pointing out the truth.
I don't like ignorance.
You can't win a Super Bowl in this league without the QB. Matt Flynn and Alex Smith are not that QB.
Trust that Ozzie understands that we have franchise QB on this team and that he will get him under a fair deal. Fair will be around 100 Million if the deal is 7 or so years. It's the going rate for QB's and a few bad stat lines won't drop Flacco's pay into Kevin Kolb territory.
Marino? SB-whatever-he-lost? Not so much.
Your examples? Not relevant in context of what I meant.
Edit: with the best defense of all time on the other side of the ball, anyway...:happy: Would he have even had that opportunity otherwise?
And a franchise QB is worth 100 million dollars give or take. That's just the way it is.
Eli Manning - 7 yr, 106 million signed in 09
Phillip Rivers - 7 yr, 98 million signed in 09
Joe and Matt have had a very similar career to each of these QB's up to the point of them signing these contracts. These were all signed 3-4 years ago. They are not being overpaid, they will be getting what the market dictates.
Is it if you finish with a better QB rating than your opponent? Is it if you get more TDs than your opponent? Is it if you throw fewer interceptions?
I don't understand the concept, and I don't understand why it matters either, in context of the overall result.
A few pages back some made the point that Joe struggles when defenses make the Ravens' offense 1 dimensional. I clearly pointed out that Joe played pretty damn well in the playoffs last year and both the Patriots and Texans made the Ravens 1 dimensional by taking away the run, which would undoubtedly point to the fact that Joe CAN play pretty damn well when Rice has nowhere to run. There is historical evidence backing that up. Can he struggle? Sure, but so can every other QB in the NFL.
Then, you were quick to point out that both of Flacco's TD's were a result of the Texans goofs. You - and others - were also quick to point out that the Patriots had a poor defense ranking that year. Then you admitted that the Patriots' front 7 was pretty good and that they played really well that game.
The point is, it is ALL important. You can't single out ONE specific incident and make a claim as if it is truth. It doesn't work that way. Football doesn't work that way.
This thread has confirmed that the Flacco Apologists are indeed further in outer space than the Flacco Haters
Wow Dude,i feel like a dentist with that pick that hit a nerve! Worst post ever? C'mon, the truth really must hurt. All over expecting a #1 pick to play like #1 pick? Really.
Way too many words to even read.
All I want is for the Ravens #1 pick not to lose games, (which he has with red zone picks, fumbles, deer in the headlight look, duh! ) Hell, I don't even wont him to win games, just don't keep losing them by throwing the game away.
For a tackle playing guard, he hasn't been too bad, a solid C- overall
Here's how FilmStudy (Ken McKusick) has graded him from week to week:
Raiders -- 47 snaps, 43 blocks, 2 missed, 1 pressure, 1 QH, 1 illegal use of hands, 32 points (.68 per play)
1st Steelers -- 56 plays, 45 blocks, 2 missed, 0 penetrations, 1 + 1/3 QH, 1 false start, 45 points (.80 per play)
Chargers -- 78 blocks, 3 missed, 1 penetration, 1 + 0.25 pressures, 1/2 QH, 1/3 sack, 1 false start, 65 points (.74 per play)
2nd Steelers -- 51 blocks, 3 missed, 1.5 penetrations, 1 pressure, 46 points (.81 per play)
Redskins -- 51 blocks, 5 missed, 1 penetration, 1 false start, 46 points (.81 per play)
Broncos -- 54 blocks, 5 missed, 1 pressure, 1/3 sack, 50 points (.82 per play)
Giants -- 77 plays, 67 blocks, 7 missed, 1 penetration, 1 pressure, 1 QH, 2/3 chop block, 54 points (.70 per play)
He hasn't been spectacular, but he has been consistent.
Alright, so maybe we might have just enough at O-line to pull off a Super Bowl victory. Hey, if the Steelers could do it in 2008 and the Giants last season with their lines as bad as they were...
I think what Dirt said was correct, but what people forget is that I said that Tom Brady struggles a lot of the time too when the ground game isn't working. I bet Brady would have loved to have Stevan Ridley of this year in that SB game against the Giants.
Point is, most QB's struggle to win games or play well without an effective ground game. And that doesn't mean rushing for 200 yards every game, you can have games like the Bengals in week 1 when we were rushing for like 5.5 yards a carry, but Rice only had 66 rushing yards, yards doesn't matter all that much when you think of it though.
Yeah Jah Reid deserves more credit than what he gets around here. The dude has never played guard in his life, let alone the NFL, and after only a handful of starts, he's holding up pretty well making a mistake or two here and there. Some people are making him out to be a bust already, I mean wtf lol. I actually think he could be going into next season as the long term starter at LG if he continues to learn the position and improve, which he has.