From what I've heard from the players themselves (my nephews know Matt Stover and I've talked to him) is they pray for each other during the game and that no one will
get seriously hurt. God doesn't care who wins a football game but he does care about everyone in the game.
Players from both teams gathered for years after the game and you seldom if ever saw it on TV but nobody is asking
God for a win. They just want to play their best and that nobody gets hurt.
So Lob is perfectly alright with people having different opinions than his, as long as they never mention them? Not surprising from a liberal, but whatever.
Yea, there's plenty who will agree with him but not us.
I beg to differ, John--to me it makes a whole heckuva lot of sense. It's one thing for the team to say, We want to support our athletes in their faith & so we have chapel & Bible study & a Christian chaplain available to all who care to take part.Quote:
If you are uncomfortable because you think that his beliefs are mandated to the team and that non-conformity has consequences. Well, yeah, until someone can provide any sort of evidence to support that claim, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
But when the Head Coach goes out of his way to publicly proclaim that those activities are "a big part of who we are," it's not a stretch to conclude that unless a player participates in these things he's not really part of the team. If you're the 52nd or 53rd guy on the roster, hanging on to your NFL dream for dear life, & you have a philosophical problem with this, the pressure to conform must be immense.
And this is what I find so incomprehensible about Harbaugh going public about this. What did it accomplish, other than to put even more pressure on any player with reservations to "get with the program"? How can anyone be certain there won't be consequences for those who can't or won't?
You can pray if you want to. It shouldn't be something mandated by authority.
I'm positive the Ravens don't require every player and coach to pray, but when he says what he did he is speaking for the team as a whole. I think it would be wise for him to stay away from speaking for everybody on matters like this.
Matt Stover is by all accounts every bit as devout a Christian as Tim Tebow, but no non-believing Ravens fan I know ever had a problem with him pointing to the sky after every kick & acknowledging the Creator he believes in.
For every non-believer who (you want to believe) only respects others' beliefs if they never mention them, there are a dozen believers who only respect non-believers' views so long as they can say to themselves "Believe what you will, I'm going to heaven when I die & you're gonna burn in hell." Nice people.
I don't really care what you believe or how ludicrous it seems to me so long as you treat your fellow man with decency & respect. A lot of people who call themselves Christians are in dire need of a refresher course on just what that means. They ought to start by rereading what their Savior actually said, most especially Matthew 25:31-46.
He said "To see it pay off like that, with that kind of success, is more of a validation of faith and trust in one another and in God. I don’t like to say it too much because I know some people don’t like to hear that, but it’s a big part of who we are as a team."
He shared what he believes to be the team's beliefs are. Unfortunately, it's not possible that all 100 or so people involved in the Ravens organization share the same beliefs.
I posted a thread soon after HARBs came here that he was a Christian based on one of the first
interviews he did and it was with the Wash Post. It described his office and he had a Bible verse on his wall behind his desk and a Daily Devotional on his desk. All those were detailed in the article and signs that he is a Christian.
HARBs does believe in God and his brother spoke at Promise Keepers and his dad was the
AD or Assist AD at Marquette a Cath College, I think it was and that's where his sister JOni met her husband who is now head basketball coach at Indiana.
There's no doubt in my mind HARBs entire family is Christian and they're strict
Catholics and thus the faith reference in the locker room and he's used plenty of
Bible verses as part of his motivational speeches.
Other Christian coaches like Joe Gibbs and Tom Landry held Bible studies on the players
day off. Some came, most didn't.
Joe Ehrmann of the old Colts became a Christian as a result of Stan White after his
brother died and he had serious issues with life. He later joined Stan's Bible Study and is
now on the pastorial staff of Grace Fellowship Church in Timonium, MD or was and even
got them their new pastor when they were without one, a former roommate at Dallas
Theological Seminary. Joe also had a inner city ministry called THE DOOR.
And I gotta say, to me, while I think the conversation about the subject in general has been a good conversation. But when it comes to comes to what Harbaugh said publicly it's not really a big deal. And what he says is a big (read: not the only part) part of who we are as a team, so anyone not spiritual/religious doesn't have to feel left out. It makes me think of when I sold cars years ago when managers would bitch about shit in meetings "if it doesn't apply, let it fly". If you're not spiritual or religious than pay no mind to what we say...