Re: Climate Change..Case closed
Unfortunately Lboog's could no longer spew out his nonsense. He lost. Too bad. The science and common sense seem to have finally got to him I see. He did not refute a single scientific statement made on this page. Not one. Zero. But he "is done". Hmmm. Strange.
Uh, the earth is warming but is still NO WHERE NEAR AS WARM AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.
Nobody is saying it is as warm as in the past. What past are you referring to anyways? Prehistoric times? 10,000 years ago???? That statement is far too vague to even comment upon.
The facts are that the temps are rising, and rising faster then nature itself can produce. This will cause an untold # of problems. From rising sea levels that will wipe out millions of miles of property, land, and habitats for all kinds of humans and other species on the shores of the earth, to bugs and insects able to infest areas that were once inhospitable for them, destroying the habitat for polar bears and penguins, and causing a general chain reaction that could wipe out all kinds of wonderful species. Who wants to see that for their grandchildren? Who? :grbac:
The problem is that this freight train is going too fast. We probably can’t stop it now. It will take too long to create new energy resources that are clean, and too hard to reverse what we have been doing for well over 150 years. We must just deal with what we have done, learn and pass the knowledge on and hope for the best.
Second, we are indeed contributing to it, just by creating artificial heat we use to warm our homes, dry our close, the heat of the many engines we use, and to a degree...green house gases.
Tell that to Lboogy. He will refute that I am sure with some lobbyist spin paid for by Exxon Mobile, or data that was intentionally changed and altered in numerous reports by the Bush administration. Oh, whooops, I am not supposed to mention who is running the country when mentioning the governments handling of climate/scientific data. How ridiculous does that sound??.
The thing is, why is it a problem? That part is not proven at all.
The problems are pretty clear. As mentioned above. There is little good that can come from rapid raising temps. There will be more extreme storms; seashores across the world will be wiped out as we currently know them due to the fact that the caps are melting. That is proven fact already. Case closed.
Mass extinction of some of the worlds most treasured species could occur quite easily as has been proposed by some of the same scientists ringing the alarm bell now. There are bound to be more and more dramatic weather events such as this year with cherry blossoms blooming in mid January, just to be iced over a week later with record ice storms, to events such as more Katrina-type storms. That cannot be good for species of any kind. Species of all kinds will suffer, plant and animal. There is very little doubt of that.
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The present trend of warmer sea temperatures, which have risen by an average of half a degree Celsius (0.9F) over the past 40 years, can be explained only if greenhouse gas emissions are responsible, new research has revealed.
Really, so the artificial heat we create can't be?[/I]
I suppose it is possible, but to produce any "artificial heat" requires the burning of energy and ultimately fossil fuels which bring us back to the original problem of greenhouse gasses. But artificial heat is real. As are the other issues that I have brought up and that some people on earth just are unable to come to grips with. It’s quite sad for them.
They have missed the bus. As McCain said: The debate is over. We are moving on without the few naysayer left. They are excluded. Nobody cares about them.
And again, so what, the damage that MIGHT be caused is complete speculation, it might even mean more species can thrive on earth with more areas climactically hospitable.
Wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution? That is what this is all about. If we listen to simpletons who gather data from Exxon Mobile and their lobbyists we will ultimately look like fools. Can you imagine the future generations looking back at how foolish some sound now. "Why didn’t you do something" they will ask. "The science was clear".
What will we say? “Well we thought more species could thrive on an earth with horrible weather patterns, rapid rises in GHG's, and temps raising faster then nature was able to produce”. It is pretty hard to spin what is happening as good for other species. Many more will die before they "thrive". That theory has very little support by any scientists much less by any sort of data or theory. Quite the opposite actually.
Re: Climate Change..Case closed
Oh, BTW...
Here is ANOTHER front page, A1, top of the fold article on the topic.
Humans Faulted For Global Warming
International Panel Of Scientists Sounds Dire Alarm
Front page link
""Every government in the world signed off on this document, including the U.S.,"
Re: Climate Change..Case closed
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Nobody is saying it is as warm as in the past. What past are you referring to anyways? Prehistoric times? 10,000 years ago???? That statement is far too vague to even comment upon.
How is it vague, the earth has been warmer numerous times, when it teemed with life.
Your claims of what MIGHT happen didn't when the earth was warmer before.
The facts are the earth florished under much warmer conditions and your assertations and those of scientists on something that is MOSTLY natural is crap.
Re: Climate Change..Case closed
http://www.humanevents.com/article.p...t=yes&id=19406
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There is Dr. S. Fred Singer, who set up the American weather satellite system, and who published some years ago a book titled "Hot Talk, Cold Science." More recently, he has co-authored another book on the subject, "Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1500 Years."
The guy who set up our weather satellite system says global warming is occurring, just like it did 1500 years ago and 1500 years before that. The cycle is from the sun. There is proof available. You do know the Vikings were farming on Greenland at one point, right? The horrific events caused by that even more significant warming trend were? In our short history the best times man has enjoyed were during these warming trends, when disease was less prevalent and crops were more abundant.
Frankly, this whole "CRISIS" is a sham.
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Yeah, we all know that temperature readings from 75 to 100+ years ago were so accurate. :rolling:
And that scientist never fudge reports to help their own beliefs. :insane:
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What is accurate enough to tell cycles is ice cores from Antartica and Greenland, and those ice cores show that the earth has warmed and cooled in 1500 year cycles forever. This is the start of an upswing of a warming period. It will continue for a while, probably 300-400 more years, regardless of what we do.
Again, at the end of the last warming period when the earth's ice had shrunk as much as it could in the last cycle the now ice covered island known as GREENland was farmed by the Vikings.
The global warmers have no answer for this and thus we get no response to this fact.
Re: Climate Change..Case closed
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Is that what you meant, Greg? My geology teacher explained it to us in college. The earth's climate is roughly a SIN wave. When it warms, it warms quickly, always has, always will Now, could we be adding a little tiny bit to it, sure, but man maybe contributes 1-2% of the change.
Re: Climate Change..Case closed
While that is a very long term outlook, in the shorter 1500 year cycles the earth warms and cools in direct correlation with the sun's cycles. And what your chart shows is that while the current contention is the CO2 causes the warmer temperatures it just might be the warmer temperatures allow for more CO2 in the atmosphere.
Any scientist that says global warming is caused by elevated CO2 levels and that man is the greatest cause of global warming is full of shit.
Re: Climate Change..Case closed
Is it just me or is Al Gore's head growing and getting more Chinese looking?
Re: Climate Change..Case closed
Since his head has little brain matter most of the space is occupied by air. As the climate heats up his head is expanding, which is really his motive for trying to stop it.
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Using the term "Case closed" is almost never a good idea.
You don't get more Libertarian than Yours Truly. A liberal, I ain't. Yet to flatly deny the strong possibility of 'Global Warming' (fuck that PC 'climate change' garbage) strikes me as reverse Chicken Little-ism.
Palm trees in Maine? That doesn't sound so bad. Stay tuned and buy some more fans.