Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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Originally Posted by
HoustonRaven
I seem to recall that two of the most intelligent scientists in human history, Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, were both religious.
Both thought they were attempting to figure out the mind of God.
Both thought the universe was so splendid, so spectacular that it could only have been the work of something divine.
Guess they're just "illogical".
Sorry HR but Einstein was hardly religious. He grew up as an atheist in a non-religious home but was exposed to both Catholic and Judaic schools. He didn't believe in God. He believed everything evolved around and was proven by equations. He couldn't accept that there was a beginning because that would say there was a God who created it.
As for Jesus, he believed that he existed as a good prophet and teacher but he never accepted him as his Lord and Savior.
Then Hubble proved the universe was expanding and Einstein changed to believing
in an impersonal but not personal God so that is hardly being religious much less spiritual. He still believed there was no evil. Those who say they don't believe in evil are simply saying they don't believe in a God. They can't have it both ways.
In the end, Einstein wasn't even a theist much less religious. Agnostic is the closest you could call him. This is hardly religous.
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On Spinoza, Einstein said, "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
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http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
Sorry, but I respectfully submit that Einstein was not a deist. He was Agnostic atheist like most scientists are, not a strong atheist. He believed in scientific pantheism although that term didn't exist in his life time but that's what he was.
He believed the universe was eternal, so it could not have been “Created”.
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I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modelled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty.
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http://www.pantheismtoday.com/videos...st-not-a-deist
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Does this question not assume that we perceive things - such as "evil" - the same way that God perceives these things? Is that a logical assumption to be making?
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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Originally Posted by
JohnBKistler
Does this question not assume that we perceive things - such as "evil" - the same way that God perceives these things? Is that a logical assumption to be making?
"Evil" is a relative term. We apply it to things that we, as humans, find negative or subversive and cannot explain.
Is a Lion evil for eating an animal in the plains of Africa? The Lion's prey may think so, but the prey doesn't understand how delicious it is for the Lion.
There is no governing body of evil, or good.
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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Originally Posted by
HoustonRaven
You can be sorry all you want. Just know you're wrong. That's the danger of typing into google a questions and finding exactly what you're looking for.
And I clarified my remarks to mean spiritual.
Yea, after I challenged your religious remark.
He's not even spiritual. Believing that God is the universe is not spiritual.
Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, that is he believed in a God, just not a personal one.
That was my line above. I listed the Spinoza reference but believing that God
is the universe is not spiritual.
In his biography, written Walter Isaacson, Einstein was very clear he was not an atheist and repeatedly rejected the notion. Perhaps a change in tactics is in order, Trap. Having a web site simply means the check cleared.
I'll take a biographer over a web site every day of the week.
Im listing people who are educated on the subject. I posted links. Re-read the link,
it posted references from authors and gave a direct quote from Einstein himself saying he is Agnostic. You just say he talked about it w/o posting anything.
YOu can't prove that my links are wrong.
Here's another direct quote from one of the authors in the above link. This is a
direct quote from a letter from Einstein to Berkowitz, Oct 1950 just 5 years before
his death in 1955. You can't get any better than that.
You can't deny this but you will.
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My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." (Albert Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59–215; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The New Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Prin
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