Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
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Originally Posted by
BigPlayReceiver
On an inverse note perhaps...the "my guy/gal is great" syndrome needs to stop.
Last fall only 15% of Americans approved of Congress' performance. (This spring it's 10%.) Yet... Back in November 90% of sitting congressmen won their elections.
And most want term limits?
We're a nation of fools.
But but but... it's not my guy... it's the other party that's the problem. :grbac:
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
Democrat legislator, Ryan Winkler of MN just called Justice Thomas an "Uncle Tom" on Twitter.
It has since been deleted and he's issued an apology.
RepRyanWinkler 12:02pm via web
@atrupar I did not understand "Uncle Tom" as a racist term, and there seems to be some debate about it. I do apologize for it, however.
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
There is a debate that Uncle Tom is racist term?????
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
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Originally Posted by
NCRAVEN
There is a debate that Uncle Tom is racist term?????
Dems are allowed to use the term since they are in the right all the time.
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
Hello fam, I've been away for awhile...but your favorite Air Force veteran is back.
Now back to the matter at hand.
I think people are being a bit too dismissive of this issue raised by ak. The attitude that "both sides do it so it's ok" is not a legimate point. We should hold our political leaders to a high standard by pointing out when they're behavior is sub par. Pandering to a base and creating a hostile political environment should not acceptable. Whatever you call this rhetoric, racist, sexist, etc. doesn't matter. America should be above that. I may be more of an idealist here than usual.
The problem with the words used by Republicans and Democrats is that it creates a climate of hate and prejudice. There are 4 types of speech that create this type of environment:
False Facts - used to validate the hosts’ points and to promote public opinion
Flawed Argumentation - further categorized by flaw: ad hominem, guilt by association, hidden assumption or missing premise, misrepresentation of opponent’s position, appeal to fear, fallacious appeal to authority, and innuendo
Divisive Language - frequently placed into an “us versus them” framework.
Dehumanizing Metaphors - which often evoked warfare, enemies, criminality, persecution, corruption, evil, animality, disease, and conspiracy
Sound familiar? Sounds like American politics in the 21st Century. How did this breakdown in political discussion occur? I'm not sure. It seems since 9/11 alot has changed. Not saying 9/11 is a direct cause, just since that day the US has never been the same for a number of reasons.
How do we restore sanity into the national dialogue? First one political party doesn't hold a monopoly on righteousness. Both leave alot to be desired. Second we should actually pay attention to when people point out when and how this "covert hate speech" is used. Dismissing people outright is in part how we got here to begin with.
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
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Originally Posted by
JohnBKistler
Let's try to re-group.
So each political party uses certain terms, phrases, "code words" with their political base to...wait for it....
GET ELECTED
But at the end of the day, what they actually implement in terms of social welfare / foreign / economic policy is really no different than the "other" party.
Let me know when you catch up and then we can have a serious discussion on the issues without the silly party masks.
Rambling, incoherent, and myriad other adjectives, but most of all barely relevant to my original point.
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
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Originally Posted by
NCRAVEN
The only person I see in this thread that thinks these "coded" words are inferring to blacks, hispanics or any other minority is you.
Fortunately, this thread is the beginning and end of the whole world and contains all the people therein. That way, if only I mention an issue on a thread with five participants, then my point is invalid.
(/sarcasm)
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Originally Posted by
NCRAVEN
If you (the royal you) think or assume that when someone says "handouts" or welfare" that they are trying to code their language and I don't uncode it to mean a black person but you do, who is the racist?
1) Just because you (both you personally and the royal you) do not acknowledge or see something does not mean the something isn't real. 2) It's a common mistake people make: calling people racist is racist! Uh, no, it's not. Making unfounded assumptions about the character traits of people based on what race they are is racist. Noticing it when people are being racist is not racist.
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
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Originally Posted by
Dade
Hello fam, I've been away for awhile...but your favorite Air Force veteran is back.
Now back to the matter at hand.
I think people are being a bit too dismissive of this issue raised by ak. The attitude that "both sides do it so it's ok" is not a legimate point. We should hold our political leaders to a high standard by pointing out when they're behavior is sub par. Pandering to a base and creating a hostile political environment should not acceptable. Whatever you call this rhetoric, racist, sexist, etc. doesn't matter. America should be above that. I may be more of an idealist here than usual.
The problem with the words used by Republicans and Democrats is that it creates a climate of hate and prejudice. There are 4 types of speech that create this type of environment:
False Facts - used to validate the hosts’ points and to promote public opinion
Flawed Argumentation - further categorized by flaw: ad hominem, guilt by association, hidden assumption or missing premise, misrepresentation of opponent’s position, appeal to fear, fallacious appeal to authority, and innuendo
Divisive Language - frequently placed into an “us versus them” framework.
Dehumanizing Metaphors - which often evoked warfare, enemies, criminality, persecution, corruption, evil, animality, disease, and conspiracy
Sound familiar? Sounds like American politics in the 21st Century. How did this breakdown in political discussion occur? I'm not sure. It seems since 9/11 alot has changed. Not saying 9/11 is a direct cause, just since that day the US has never been the same for a number of reasons.
How do we restore sanity into the national dialogue? First one political party doesn't hold a monopoly on righteousness. Both leave alot to be desired. Second we should actually pay attention to when people point out when and how this "covert hate speech" is used. Dismissing people outright is in part how we got here to begin with.
Nobody is making the "both sides do it so its ok" argument.
The argument that's being successfully portrayed is that one side is no better than the other when it comes to racism.
Both parties need to ferret out these scumbags. But one person here seems to think one party in particular is rainbows and puppy whiskers when it comes to race relations.
Re: Virulent Racism in the Republican Party
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Originally Posted by
akashicrecorder
1) Just because you (both you personally and the royal you) do not acknowledge or see something does not mean the something isn't real. 2) It's a common mistake people make: calling people racist is racist! Uh, no, it's not. Making unfounded assumptions about the character traits of people based on what race they are is racist. Noticing it when people are being racist is not racist.
I never said calling someone a racist is racist. Where did you get that from?
I said when you assume that something is racist that isn't racist e.g. "handouts" that means you were the one that thought "handouts" was racist, MAKING YOU THE RACIST.
Help me out folks, am I not explaining this properly or she playing stupid?