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Originally Posted by
LBoogy
Minorities annoy me? Diversity annoys me? Are you that dense? I guess this is your way of conceding.
I see people as people. Period.
To sum it up, I'm annoyed because I'm tired of the pandering. I don't know how that equates to being annoyed by minorties, but you can think whatever you want. I don't believe in giving one group of people special attention because of their heritage. Sorry.
Okay, that's your take. A bit of a cop out and escapism, but it's your take.
I see America as having diverse people/ diverse groups, each bringing something unique to the table. With this historical event of having two African Americans coaching the SB is symbolic that:
1. Not only white males are great at Head Coaching, but that those talents can come from any person of any culture. African American, Hispanic, or white.
2. Breaks the stereotype that minorities ( especially African Americans) are not intelligent enough to be great NFL head coaches or GMs.
Bottomline is that the symbolism of this historical achievement should make persons from all backgrounds feel good, not incite hostility.
For whites, it shows that they are truly interested in a diverse NFL in the head coaching ranks.
For minorities, it gives a positive symbol and hope for some young African American/Hispanic child that they will be seriously considered for ANY higher position in the NFL be it HC, GM, or even Owner.
Will every coach be African American? Of course not, unless those guys are all the best person for the job.
Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith have proven that they are not coaches just to fill a quota, but because they are great coaches. The fact that they are African American makes me feel pretty damn good.
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PurpleRulz
1. Not only white males are great at Head Coaching, but that those talents can come from any person of any culture. African American, Hispanic, or white.
2. Breaks the stereotype that minorities ( especially African Americans) are not intelligent enough to be great NFL head coaches or GMs.
Looks like only people like you and Big Media who want a story leading up to the Super Bowl (last year was Bettis going home to Detroit) are the ones who believe that stereotype still exists. I can tell you it never crosses my mind until I see it across the ESPN ticker for the 20,000th time.
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The fact that they are African American makes me feel pretty damn good.
Why? Do you know either of them personally? Go to school with them? Lovie coach you in college? You feel some kind of spiritual connection to them because all 3 of you are black? That's kind of silly don't you think? What if every inbred, mullet wearing hick with a big chin started talking about how good they felt that Cowher finally won a Super Bowl?
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Cop out? Huh?
Arguing with you is like talking to a brick wall.
And I completely understand your sentiments, PR. Having a racially diverse society is a good thing. But, it's something that should be left alone.
As Losac said, I don't think about Dungy or Smith being black; not until the media shoves it in your face every chance they get. To me it's irrelevant, immature, petty, and ignorant to bring up such a thing.
No one is REALLY interested in "diversity" if they are completely indulged in their own self-interest, because that's what is going on here.
You are so caught up in being racially diverse, yet you say it feels pretty damn good that two black coaches are going to the SB. What the fuck does that mean? It sounds like your definition of diversity is pander to the black man.
I'll say it again--and I don't know HOW this can be seen as a cop out--people are people. The day you stop referencing race, diversity, whatever, is the day that racial divides will cease to exist.
And to respond to your alluding to the idea that we use race to point out crime statistics, etc. People are a product of their environments, not their skin color.
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I for one *do* think it's interesting, and a (positive) sign of the times.
Which is not to say I'm going to try to persuade anyone here; apparently this forum isn't a good place for this discussion (fine with me!) & I don't care to join in this circular argument.
I just wanted to point out,
> Looks like only people like you and Big Media
is a bit of an overstatement.
Ok, carry on. [ducks]
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Originally Posted by
LBoogy
Cop out? Huh?
Arguing with you is like talking to a brick wall.
And I completely understand your sentiments, PR. Having a racially diverse society is a good thing. But, it's something that should be left alone.
As Losac said, I don't think about Dungy or Smith being black; not until the media shoves it in your face every chance they get. To me it's irrelevant, immature, petty, and ignorant to bring up such a thing.
No one is REALLY interested in "diversity" if they are completely indulged in their own self-interest, because that's what is going on here.
You are so caught up in being racially diverse, yet you say it feels pretty damn good that two black coaches are going to the SB. What the fuck does that mean? It sounds like your definition of diversity is pander to the black man.
I'll say it again--and I don't know HOW this can be seen as a cop out--people are people. The day you stop referencing race, diversity, whatever, is the day that racial divides will cease to exist.
And to respond to your alluding to the idea that we use race to point out crime statistics, etc. People are a product of their environments, not their skin color.
Save for the part where you said "people are a product of their environments and not their skin," you're wrong. The day that people learn to respect each other's differences will be when racial divides end and I'll leave this discussion on that note as this discussion has reached abused dead horse stage.
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Let's totally shift this discussion.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740378 According to this link, the Steelgirls will lose another assistant; Russ Grimm. The Steelers will now have to learn a whole new system after 14 years of much the same system. This could cause a temporary setback in that organization.
I think we can all agree here that we hate the black and gold, and anything that could hold them down is a potential positive for us.
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I did read somewhere that they are in fact retaining their DC.
Im going to wait until after the draft (I would add FA but we know Pittsburgh doesnt participate) unil I write off the Toothless Ones.
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That sucks. I was going to join in the argument but it's already over.
Pooh.
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PurpleRulz should read this article:
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There's a lot of talk about hoping for a day when black coaches in the Super Bowl won't be a big deal, when we won't find it necessary to refer to a coach as a "black coach" (or any person by their race, for that matter).
What's wrong with that day being today? Dungy and Smith have made history, and we happily acknowledge it. As for our practice of categorizing NFL head coaches, let's make that history, too.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ael&id=2740318
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Losac
The biggest revelation I noticed in an otherwise interesting piece:
"Even though we live in Baltimore, we want you to win and get to the Super Bowl.'"
Where *are* those people? Go away!!
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festivus
The biggest revelation I noticed in an otherwise interesting piece:
"Even though we live in Baltimore, we want you to win and get to the Super Bowl.'"
Where *are* those people? Go away!!
I was thinking the same thing. Obviously it was implying that the people who said that were black folks who were rooting for the Colts so a black coach could get to the Super Bowl. Despicable. Makes me sick that people think race first instead of identifying with their home team and city.
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Losac
I was thinking the same thing. Obviously it was implying that the people who said that were black folks who were rooting for the Colts so a black coach could get to the Super Bowl. Despicable. Makes me sick that people think race first instead of identifying with their home team and city.
You are still on this? Seeing positive things happen for African Americans must really bug you. You can think what you want, but most African Americans (we are not "black folk", that term in and of itself is racist) will celebrate the significance of having two African American head coaches in the Super Bowl regardless of what others do.
Period. End of discussion. Now, move on.