Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
> And Boller has been consistent?
I'm not saying he's been consistent. I'm also not saying he should be our starter.
I'm just saying two things about him:
1. Boller has shown gradual improvement over the time we've seen him.
2. Boller has always shown the ability to shake off a bad break and recover.
Concerning Grossman, time will tell if he improves. I could be wrong, but it appears to me he does *not* have the proverbial amnesia required in professional sports. If he gets a bad break or two then he's done for the game.
Career qb rating statistics for two young quarterbacks are meaningless, insofar as (a) the sample size is small, (b) they don't show change over time, and (c) they don't show patterns within games, which is what I've been talking about anyway.
> There is simply no definitive proof that one is better than the other.
Definitive? We are comparing two different young quarterbacks. They really haven't got much in common besides draft class. Considering they are apples and oranges, I think the standard of "definitive proof" is asking a lot.
> In fact, the evidence (subjective and factual) shows that they are
> damn similar.
What subjective evidence? What factual evidence? My argument was about in-game breakdowns by Grossman, and the absence of the same by Boller. It was my subjective evidence based on my observations. You can disagree with your own subjective evidence, but your factual evidence of career qb ratings is irrelevant to what I wrote.
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
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Sorry dude, but the numbers just don't lie. Let's look at the only two years where the player started all 16 games...
Fair enough. Let's look at another QBs stats from his first full season as a starter.
415 attempts
216 complete for 52% accuracy
2665 yards
6.42 YPA
14 TDs
13 INTs
70.4 QB rating.
I guess Steve McNair is the same as Boller and Grossman. Stats don't lie after all.
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
Honestly, you're all going to hate me...I'm no hater/hugger or anything...
But I've got a feeling Boller is going to be given another shot once McNair is out after next year. There is also the potential you could see a guy like David Carr get a shot in Baltimore or the chance to compete with Boller for the job.
We're not going to be in position to draft a top-flight prospect unless we really bomb next year.
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
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Originally Posted by
darb72
Fair enough. Let's look at another QBs stats from his first full season as a starter.
415 attempts
216 complete for 52% accuracy
2665 yards
6.42 YPA
14 TDs
13 INTs
70.4 QB rating.
I guess Steve McNair is the same as Boller and Grossman. Stats don't lie after all.
I would agree with this argument if McNair had not been so successful in the years following. In fact, I am not arguing that Boller wont end up having a better career than Mac.
What I am arguing is this idea that Boller is somehow better than Grossman, when there is no actual evidence. So far, after one complete season, they both are equally (or too close to distinguish) bad.
Of course an opposite argument can also be made that Grossman hasn't shown himself to be much better than Boller.
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
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Originally Posted by
Mobtown
And Boller has been consistant?
Sorry dude, but the numbers just don't lie. Let's look at the only two years where the player started all 16 games...
Grossman:
2006att480comp262pct54.6yrds3193ypa6.65TD23INT20QB73.9
Boller:
2004att464comp258pct55.6yrds2559ypa5.52TD13INT11QB70.9
Has Grossman been inconsistant? Definately....but so has our man Boller.
There is simply no difinitive proof that one is better than the other. In fact, the evidence (subjective and factual) shows that they are damn similar.
You can't even give Boller a point because he did not have the luxury of sitting on the sidelines for 2 years. Those extra 11 actual games should put him in a class above Grossman...
Boller = Grossman maybe
Boller 04- 2nd year in the NFL
Grossman 06- 4th year in the NFL
This displays exactly what the Boller Bashers just dont get- you can't compare a young QB to one with more experince. Most qbs take time to progress, and many have bad starts. What you want to see is progress. Boller has shown his best most recently- in his past five regular season games, as well as the preseason. All but one of those games were impressive. We have not seen him get worse since- indicating that he might much better.
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
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What I am arguing is this idea that Boller is somehow better than Grossman, when there is no actual evidence. So far, after one complete season, they both are equally (or too close to distinguish) bad.
There are only two things that we can say for a fact Boller is better than Grossman.
-Boller has a better arm. Of course that doesn't make a better QB, but it is a part the QB package.
-Grossman went to Florida. Really bad QBs come from Florida. Of course Boller is a Tedford product and they don't turn out all that great.
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
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Originally Posted by
Mobtown
I would agree with this argument if McNair had not been so successful in the years following. In fact, I am not arguing that Boller wont end up having a better career than Mac.
What I am arguing is this idea that Boller is somehow better than Grossman, when there is no actual evidence.
You must be joking -- you are not arguing that Boller won't end up having a better career than McNair, but you are arguing that Boller is not better than Grossman??? So, should we infer that you think Grossman will have a better career than McNair? I doubt it.
Grossman could get better, like Boller has gotten better, but right now I'd take Boller over Grossman in a heartbeat.
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
Re: Rex Grossman Is Why Kyle Boller Should Not Start
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Originally Posted by
highwater
You must be joking -- you are not arguing that Boller won't end up having a better career than McNair, but you are arguing that Boller is not better than Grossman??? So, should we infer that you think Grossman will have a better career than McNair? I doubt it.
Grossman could get better, like Boller has gotten better, but right now I'd take Boller over Grossman in a heartbeat.
Comparing Boller or Grossman to McNair is ludacris. Mac has started 3x the number of regular season games and has shown that he can win in the playoffs. They are barely in the same league.
Boller getting better? Sure, OK...but what does that have to do with comparing Boller to Grossman now?