Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
HoustonRaven
Debt has substantially gone up since Obama took office, not down as you claim. In four years, he's racked up more debt than all previous Presidents combined.
GWB excluded... though in 3 and a half years he surpassed Duya's 8 year total which had previously topped the prior aggregate. In the next 4 years he will have more then doubled the debt created throughout he 20th century.
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
HoustonRaven
Debt has substantially gone up since Obama took office, not down as you claim. In four years, he's racked up more debt than all previous Presidents combined.
Your numbers simply aren't true. Debt went up 6 trillion under George W Bush. Of that nearly 4 trillion was in his second, 4 year term. Debt went up 2.8 trillion under Obama during the greatest recession since the depression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...es_public_debt
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
HoustonRaven
Debt has substantially gone up since Obama took office, not down as you claim. In four years, he's racked up more debt than all previous Presidents combined.
I said that in the context that Romney claims he can do a better job than President Obama, with the idea that he feels President Obama has not done a good job. I wasn't talking about actual numbers.
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
dweezil22
Your numbers simply aren't true. Debt went up 6 trillion under George W Bush. Of that nearly 4 trillion was in his second, 4 year term. Debt went up 2.8 trillion under Obama during the greatest recession since the depression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...es_public_debt
Debt rose 5.3 Trillion in Obama's 4 years vs 4.9 in Bush's 8... you are not looking at the raw numbers. You are using numbers that attribute Bush's tax cuts to his years, even after the fact. BY that metric, add the $877 Billion from Bush's term to Obama's, as it was his policy during Bush's lame duck period.
http://www.politifact.com/new-hampsh...f-time-george/
Just as Bush had to deal with What occurred during his tenure(9/11!!!!) and Policy that was leftover from the previous term, as does Obama. Despite knowind about these tax cuts Obama did absolutely NOTHING to cut spending, and in truth, increased it with dramatic flair. Estimates of the effect of such cuts are simply that as well, and it is not known for fact that revenue would have even been increased had the tax cuts were cancelled, which Obama CHOSE not to do.
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
CptJesus
Seriously don't try this one. I had the same argument and was completely ignored.
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because it's a fallacy of twistefd truths. It does not jive with the reality that is math.
And that is all beside the fact that no one here is absolving GWB of his drunken spending.
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
For my money, the reason Romney lost is because of the portrayed craziness of his party in the media. From Palin to Bachmann to Akin, these last few years and months have been awash with Republicans preaching about rape, pregnancy and God. After awhile, that grates on people. Obama had his work cut out for him this election, but Mitt's own party did Mitt no favors. I don't trust politicians in general, but I have come to find some of these modern Republican leaders downright repulsive.
I am excited about Obama's victory, as well as those of several others last night, because of the social turning point they represent in our country. There were several liberal women who defeated conservative men. We elected our first openly gay politician. My home state, Maryland, ratified gay marriage. Our president does not show the DISDAIN for women, the poor and minorities that I sense from Republicans (leaders, sometimes voters).
Frankly, I would feel sorry for a country that elected a leader that said, when he thought the cameras were off, that he doesn't care about half the country.
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
CptJesus
Seriously don't try this one. I had the same argument and was completely ignored.
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Point taken. I'm out! :patriot:
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
jonboy79
Debt rose 5.3 Trillion in Obama's 4 years vs 4.9 in Bush's 8... you are not looking at the raw numbers. You are using numbers that attribute Bush's tax cuts to his years, even after the fact. BY that metric, add the $877 Billion from Bush's term to Obama's, as it was his policy during Bush's lame duck period.
http://www.politifact.com/new-hampsh...f-time-george/
Just as Bush had to deal with What occurred during his tenure(9/11!!!!) and Policy that was leftover from the previous term, as does Obama. Despite knowind about these tax cuts Obama did absolutely NOTHING to cut spending, and in truth, increased it with dramatic flair. Estimates of the effect of such cuts are simply that as well, and it is not known for fact that revenue would have even been increased had the tax cuts were cancelled, which Obama CHOSE not to do.
Jonboy, get outta here with facts!!!
Re: Election Day 2012 Thread
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Originally Posted by
CptJesus
Seriously don't try this one. I had the same argument and was completely ignored.
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More like you were countered with facts and ignored them.