Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sua Sponte
ISo looking at the above stats, Cam is consistently mediocre with a few good years that were because of the run and good defense under Wade Phillips, Rex Ryan, etc.. When averaging over 2000 (yds) and 22 TD's rushing in a season his Offenses seem to be decent, but who wouldn't benefit from LT in his prime, it is easy to run the ball with a Hall of Fame RB humping the rock with a sledge hammer leading the way (Lorenzo Neal).
Leach and Rice...?
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JAB1985
Leach and Rice...?
Exactly...
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Do you remember how terrible the Chargers were in the early part of the last decade?
They became decent in 2003 but your stats mean absolutely zilch without context. 1) he hasn't been consistently mediocre, he coached top 10 offenses in his last three years in San Diego (and 3rd, 5th, and 1st in points). More context: Drew Brees was widely considered a bust until 2005. Even more context: his best WR that he coached was Keenan McCardell at age like 40. Other than that it was David Bust-on, Curtis Conway, and that other random white dude who never was any good. 2) He came in here with a rookie QB out of Delaware and immediately turned our offense around.
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sua Sponte
Exactly...
so hes proven able to do it in the past, but chooses not to now. Guilty as charged.
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
RavensNTerps
Do you remember how terrible the Chargers were in the early part of the last decade?
They became decent in 2003 but your stats mean absolutely zilch without context. 1) he hasn't been consistently mediocre, he coached top 10 offenses in his last three years in San Diego (and 3rd, 5th, and 1st in points). More context: Drew Brees was widely considered a bust until 2005. Even more context: his best WR that he coached was Keenan McCardell at age like 40. Other than that it was David Bust-on, Curtis Conway, and that other random white dude who never was any good. 2) He came in here with a rookie QB out of Delaware and immediately turned our offense around.
So LT rushing for 2k and 24 and 32 TD's means zilch. You must be a Cam fan. The stats are consistently mediocre. If you read correctly you will see that I mentioned that I am not a stats guy, but at times stats can show a trend and the trend is that if Cam bases his Offense around the run than he fares a little better the throw first mentality. So he did nothing with a a mediocre WR corp and what exactly has he done with ours and I guess Jackson and Gates were not on the team in 05 & 06 when their O put up the best numbers that started behind the run...
And......
Top 10 defenses while here.. I'll give him the Rookie season, but if a professional OC can't take a newly drafted Flacco and Rice and mold them into what he likes than he should not be a professional in the first place. Talent aside his stats are similiar regardless of who is on the roster, leading to scheme being the problem..
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sua Sponte
So LT rushing for 2k and 24 and 32 TD's means zilch. You must be a Cam fan. The stats are consistently mediocre. If you read correctly you will see that I mentioned that I am not a stats guy, but at times stats can show a trend and the trend is that if Cam bases his Offense around the run than he fares a little better the throw first mentality. So he did nothing with a a mediocre WR corp and what exactly has he done with ours and I guess Jackson and Gates were not on the team in 05 & 06 when their O put up the best numbers that started behind the run...
And......
Top 10 defenses while here.. I'll give him the Rookie season, but if a professional OC can't take a newly drafted Flacco and Rice and mold them into what he likes than he should not be a professional in the first place. Talent aside his stats are similiar regardless of who is on the roster, leading to scheme being the problem..
No, he isn't a Cam fan.
He is a purposeful contrarian when it comes to Flacco and only posts to bash Flacco, discount Flacco, and <insert negative comment about Flacco>.
The guy generally only posts after a Ravens loss.
His schtick is known and tired.
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
wickedsolo
No, he isn't a Cam fan.
He is a purposeful contrarian when it comes to Flacco and only posts to bash Flacco, discount Flacco, and <insert negative comment about Flacco>.
The guy generally only posts after a Ravens loss.
His schtick is known and tired.
Noted. Thanks..
[/QUOTE] so hes proven able to do it in the past, but chooses not to now. Guilty as charged.[/QUOTE]
I think getting back to a really solid run game 30+ a game split between Rice and Pierce that would make Torrey that much more dangerous when the safety starts to crowd the box and the DB's are peaking in the backfield. They still need to expand the route tree and start cuts and breaks and NOT rounding routes out.
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sua Sponte
So LT rushing for 2k and 24 and 32 TD's means zilch. You must be a Cam fan. The stats are consistently mediocre. If you read correctly you will see that I mentioned that I am not a stats guy, but at times stats can show a trend and the trend is that if Cam bases his Offense around the run than he fares a little better the throw first mentality. So he did nothing with a a mediocre WR corp and what exactly has he done with ours and I guess Jackson and Gates were not on the team in 05 & 06 when their O put up the best numbers that started behind the run...
And......
Top 10 defenses while here.. I'll give him the Rookie season, but if a professional OC can't take a newly drafted Flacco and Rice and mold them into what he likes than he should not be a professional in the first place. Talent aside his stats are similiar regardless of who is on the roster, leading to scheme being the problem..
Why wouldn't Cam Cameron get credit for LT rushing for 2,000 yards or 32 TDs any more than he'd get credit for Drew Brees throwing for 4,000 yards? The stats are decidedly NOT mediocre. And no, I"m not a Cam Cameron "fan" per se, I'm just not a Joe Flacco fan. The thing that cracks me up is this underlying assumption that 90% of message board posters have that somehow Flacco is a proven great QB who is simply being shackled back because of Cam Cameron's offense. It's absurd.
Talent aside, lol. Look at Kyle Shanahan, for example, who until this year was about to be run out of town on a stake in Landover. Why? Poor QB play.
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
how many Cam threads do we really need?
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
RavensNTerps
Why wouldn't Cam Cameron get credit for LT rushing for 2,000 yards or 32 TDs any more than he'd get credit for Drew Brees throwing for 4,000 yards? The stats are decidedly NOT mediocre. And no, I"m not a Cam Cameron "fan" per se, I'm just not a Joe Flacco fan. The thing that cracks me up is this underlying assumption that 90% of message board posters have that somehow Flacco is a proven great QB who is simply being shackled back because of Cam Cameron's offense. It's absurd.
Talent aside, lol. Look at Kyle Shanahan, for example, who until this year was about to be run out of town on a stake in Landover. Why? Poor QB play.
Drew Brees sure did throw for 4k, as soon as he left Cam and went to NO. Again showing your inabilities to know what you are talking about, nor did I say Cam doesn't get credit for LT rushing/receiving for more than 2k and 32td's, however he also still maintained close to 2k and 18 TD's when Cam left... so must have been the player..
I also never said anything about Flacco in my post. I do however think that Flacco can play decent enough to keep this team in the race, just not under Cam's control.
Your going to compare Kyle Shanahan. Exactly what talent did he have. No QB, busted backfield and what WR's (Moss). Insert Griffin and Garcon with a healthy RB and you get production... Really? Cam always had talent around him in SD and Baltimore. What is your point?
Re: Cam Cameron (10 years)
how much of LT's success came fom Schottenhiemer though? Sure Cam was making the call as OC, BUT Marty put his stamp on that offense as well.